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Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

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Re: Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

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Post by seibelj »

aww_dang wrote: post #7
seibelj wrote: post #4

As an anecdote, someone I know is an immigrant from HK and has lived in the USA for many years, and this person is afraid of saying anything publicly against China out of fear. Fear for their family in China and fear for their personal safety even in the USA. Similar to how Russia murders defectors [0], it’s not a good idea to be an expat and criticize China. It is an authoritarian regime, bottom line. [0] https://en…

They've claimed authority to extradite anyone (including non-Chinese citizens) under this new law.

Good thing I never leave my house anymore!

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Post by PakG1 »

aww_dang wrote: post #7
seibelj wrote: post #4

As an anecdote, someone I know is an immigrant from HK and has lived in the USA for many years, and this person is afraid of saying anything publicly against China out of fear. Fear for their family in China and fear for their personal safety even in the USA. Similar to how Russia murders defectors [0], it’s not a good idea to be an expat and criticize China. It is an authoritarian regime, bottom line. [0] https://en…

They've claimed authority to extradite anyone (including non-Chinese citizens) under this new law.

That part is REALLY weird.

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Post by gruez »

moreorless wrote: post #8
seibelj wrote: post #4

As an anecdote, someone I know is an immigrant from HK and has lived in the USA for many years, and this person is afraid of saying anything publicly against China out of fear. Fear for their family in China and fear for their personal safety even in the USA. Similar to how Russia murders defectors [0], it’s not a good idea to be an expat and criticize China. It is an authoritarian regime, bottom line. [0] https://en…

As an anecdote, I hear people call out the CPC in public places in China.

Censorship in China Allows Govt Criticism but Silences Collective Expression [pdf] (dash.harvard.edu)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20729614

Re: Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

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Post by ivalm »

PakG1 wrote: post #12
aww_dang wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've claimed authority to extradite anyone (including non-Chinese citizens) under this new law.

That part is REALLY weird.

It is not weird in that countries enforce what they see as antiterrorism laws outside their borders (US is a prime example). The problem here is that China is targeting essentially anyone with a strong critical voice.

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Post by labster »

aww_dang wrote: post #7
seibelj wrote: post #4

As an anecdote, someone I know is an immigrant from HK and has lived in the USA for many years, and this person is afraid of saying anything publicly against China out of fear. Fear for their family in China and fear for their personal safety even in the USA. Similar to how Russia murders defectors [0], it’s not a good idea to be an expat and criticize China. It is an authoritarian regime, bottom line. [0] https://en…

They've claimed authority to extradite anyone (including non-Chinese citizens) under this new law.

And invoked that authority: China has pressed charges against an American citizen who lives in America for conduct that took place in the United States.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/01/china/hong-kong-activists-arr...

R.I.P Westphalian sovereignty

Re: Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national security law

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Post by baryphonic »

seibelj wrote: post #4

As an anecdote, someone I know is an immigrant from HK and has lived in the USA for many years, and this person is afraid of saying anything publicly against China out of fear. Fear for their family in China and fear for their personal safety even in the USA. Similar to how Russia murders defectors [0], it’s not a good idea to be an expat and criticize China. It is an authoritarian regime, bottom line. [0] https://en…

I don't disagree with any of this at all; in fact I'd piggy back and go further: the Chinese Communist Party is increasingly a totalitarian regime. Whereas Vladimir Putin and the Russian oligarchs are mostly interested in preserving their power and wealth, and threatening/assaulting/murdering the people who get in the way, the Chinese Communist Party regime seems to have much broader goals. From the Falun Gong persecution to the Uighur concentration camps to the ultra-nationalist propaganda now taught in PRC schools to even the land grabs (and land "creation") the PLA Navy has engaged in, the ambitions of the Chinese Communist Party seem truly limitless in the way Nazi Germany's and the Soviet Union's did.

(This reads as a criticism and almost a "well, aktshually" kind of a post, but I truly don't intend it as such. If anything, it's a stronger warning to Chinese ex-pats: be very careful what you say because the regime's tentacles are numerous and reach far. Not that Chinese citizens don't already know that, though.)

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Post by frequentnapper »

moreorless wrote: post #8
seibelj wrote: post #4

As an anecdote, someone I know is an immigrant from HK and has lived in the USA for many years, and this person is afraid of saying anything publicly against China out of fear. Fear for their family in China and fear for their personal safety even in the USA. Similar to how Russia murders defectors [0], it’s not a good idea to be an expat and criticize China. It is an authoritarian regime, bottom line. [0] https://en…

As an anecdote, I hear people call out the CPC in public places in China.

As an anecdote, i have a Tajik friend from Xinjiang who's seen friends kidnapped by Chinese authorities and never heard from again for daring to criticise the govt.
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