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One in Three Americans Would Not Get Covid-19 Vaccine

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Re: One in Three Americans Would Not Get Covid-19 Vaccine

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Vaccines are not without a risk, and the current versions are being rushed. I am not anti-vaccine, but I am cautious about untested politicized medicine. I also am not a fan of a poll that over simplifies the situation for a cheap bit of attention.

    - How effective is the vaccine. The influenza vaccine only reduces the risk of flu illness by between 40% and 60% among the overall population during seasons when most circulating flu viruses are well-matched to the flu vaccine.
    - New vaccine - How has it been tested? The Federal Vaccine Injury Compensation Program exists for a reason, and these vaccines are being rushed.
    - Why this particular vaccine? There are at least 120 in development.
    - Article indicates the vaccine is free.  No vaccine is free.  Even if there is no direct financial cost to the person getting the vaccine, there will be costs and expenses to getting it. If your not upfront about this, what else are you not mentioning?  Perhaps the vaccine is free, but not the administration of it?
    - How is this vaccine administered? A recent Phizer vaccine requires two doses 21 days apart.  It was not clear what form it was, but I suspect an injection which the article uses for illustration.  This means dealing with some medical office twice, likely during the day and requiring an appointment and taking time off work and getting to the site and it is not stated how much that 21 days can vary.
    - Look at the governments reactions and responses to date.  There have been issues politicizing the response and many failures to date and this poll wants me to blindly trust them.
Some Resources:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-risks-of-rush...

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/08/bill-gates-on-covid-...

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200515/pfizer-says-covid-1...

https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/08/07/fact-sheet-explain...

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm

Re: One in Three Americans Would Not Get Covid-19 Vaccine

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People gathering indoors in violation of government regulations are clearly harming the public, because they invariably will increase the number of infections and deaths. What are the ethics, though, of refusing to get a vaccine? if Alex Honnold had fallen off the face of El Capitan, he would have killed only himself. Is it not the same in the case of someone refusing to be vaccinated, given that the vaccination is a…

People who choose not to vaccinate can impact others by spreading the virus to others who cannot vaccinate for medical or religious reasons. They also spread to other people who choose not to vaccinate.

Vaccines are also not 100% effective, some people who get vaccinated are not themselves fully immune. If you choose not to vaccinate you also put those people at risk.

Finally, if you choose not vaccinate and end up in the ICU, you are taking resources in a critical ward that might be needed for patients with other serious medical conditions.

Re: One in Three Americans Would Not Get Covid-19 Vaccine

#14
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If vaccination rates are too low you don’t get herd immunity, and people who are unable to be vaccinated are more at risk.

What is a typical reason someone wouldn't be able to be vaccinated?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immunosuppression

  Non-deliberate immunosuppression can occur in, for example, ataxia–telangiectasia, complement deficiencies, many types of cancer, and certain chronic infections such as human immunodeficiency virus (HIV).

Re: One in Three Americans Would Not Get Covid-19 Vaccine

#15

People gathering indoors in violation of government regulations are clearly harming the public, because they invariably will increase the number of infections and deaths. What are the ethics, though, of refusing to get a vaccine? if Alex Honnold had fallen off the face of El Capitan, he would have killed only himself. Is it not the same in the case of someone refusing to be vaccinated, given that the vaccination is a…

Some people are unable to get a vaccine for reasons other than personal choice. The CDC lays out certain conditions for each vaccine where a person should not get vaccinated. [0]

For example, someone who is pregnant or has a weakened immune system should not get the MMR vaccine. It's possible there will be certain conditions for any COVID-19 vaccine as well. These people will have to rely on herd immunity (ideally attained mostly through vaccinations) to ensure they stay healthy. If someone is eligible to get a vaccine but chooses not to, that would be putting others at risk.

[0] https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/should-not-vacc.html

Re: One in Three Americans Would Not Get Covid-19 Vaccine

#16

1 in 4 in Portugal: https://www.publico.pt/2020/08/08/sociedade/noticia/quatro-p... I personally will probably not do it as well for a while as I am not an at-risk group and don't fully trust the 'speedy' trials.

The only ‘speedy’ aspect is starting the trials quicker There’s no way to speed up the actual results of the trials.

Re: One in Three Americans Would Not Get Covid-19 Vaccine

#17
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If vaccination rates are too low you don’t get herd immunity, and people who are unable to be vaccinated are more at risk.

What is a typical reason someone wouldn't be able to be vaccinated?

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/should-not-vacc.html

It varies by vaccine, but allergies, health conditions, and age are all factors.

Some people also practice religions that forbid them.

Re: One in Three Americans Would Not Get Covid-19 Vaccine

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If vaccination rates are too low you don’t get herd immunity, and people who are unable to be vaccinated are more at risk.

What is a typical reason someone wouldn't be able to be vaccinated?

One example, babies too young to receive vaccines or pregnant mothers.

Re: One in Three Americans Would Not Get Covid-19 Vaccine

#19
1) If ~10% of the population has already had it, and 30-40% have some pre-existing immunity in the form of useful, relevant corona antibodies, then 40-50% of the population doesn't need a vaccine at this point (until immunity wears off, whenever that is). I know that likely isn't the reasoning going into many people's decision making, but we shouldn't be surprised based solely off of the numbers.

2) Then there's studies like this one from 2012 about original SARS vaccine development (with almost a decade of research after the initial outbreak) that shows 4 completely different approaches to vaccination all made subsequent exposure to the virus worse.

Immunization with SARS Coronavirus Vaccines Leads to Pulmonary Immunopathology on Challenge with the SARS Virus

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3335060/

We should be skeptical of a vaccine for any disease where one of the major complication risks is basically a form of autoimmune disease.

We don't want to encourage a strong autoimmune response when a major existing risk is an overly aggressive immune response.

This is a reason that steroids seem to be emerging as a beneficial treatment: they actually suppress immune system response.

I'm not suggesting an effective vaccine won't ever be developed, but we shouldn't judge people in what may be a valid concern. Even if they have different than the relevant reasons for that concern.

Re: One in Three Americans Would Not Get Covid-19 Vaccine

#20
This is completely understandable. You may not like it, but you absolutely cannot fault average people for feeling this way.

The president has been hammering Warp Speed to make a vaccine solely for the purpose of an October surprise for months. Everyone, even his core voter base, knows this and knows he wouldn’t hesitate to throw anyone under the bus with it. That voter base was fine with it when it was nameless immigrant children suffering at the border, on vague unfounded ideas that it would bolster American jobs. But they are not going to put their own bodies or their children’s on the line for Trump impulsiveness.

The vaccine may well be safe and may well be developed on a late 2020 timetable with sufficient rigor in FDA approval - does not matter one bit because Trump’s politicization has already deeply undermined it.

You simply cannot restore confidence without straight up removing Trump, so I would look to this to take time after the election.

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