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What Does Trump Have Against TikTok?

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It's got nothing to do with "global internet", it's about a totalitarian surveillance dragnet capturing every bit of data imaginable about American children.

Tik Tok is unique in the granularity and sheer scope of what it captures, and it is stored on Chinese servers that are legally compelled to make any and all data available to the CCP with no oversight or warrants or anything of the sort.

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Belief has nothing to do with it. This is a response to geopolitical realities. There is no virtue in believing in a fiction, even if it sounds nice.

Edit: this post was originally titled “Banning TikTok suggests that the US no longer believes in a global internet” and that is still the main idea of the article

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It should be clear to all but the most biased that:

1. Chinese companies are extensions of the state. This is not true to the same degree for US or European companies; and

2. China deliberately restricts access to the Chinese market so no foreign company will "win" there. It will always be a Chinese company. This is why companies kowtowing the China is so pointless.

Trade is about reciprocity. Separation from the state is a national security issue. China is not playing by the same rules as everyone else is. The only shocking thing about this is that it's taken what is otherwise the worst president in America's history (and someone who, with his family, should probably all be in jail for various reasons) to demand reciprocity and to point out the obvious.

Yet the carrot of the Chinese market remains for Western companies and those companies have pressured (if not outright bought) their governments to play along in a completely rigged game they cannot win.

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Or maybe it believes that those who don't believe in a global internet shouldn't benefit from it. The first thing China did was putting up the Great Firewall. Reciprocity is overdue and important.

Stop making sense. These young lads with Trump Derangement Syndrome might try to smash your windows.

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post #6

No. Banning TikTok at most suggests that the current US administration no longer believes in a global internet. That administration might be out of office as soon as January 2021. Edit: Comment submitted before title was changed. Title was originally: "Banning TikTok suggests that the US no longer believes in a global internet."

Data protection and privacy is far more important than a global internet. And you need a country with a strong and independent judiciary and press in order for that to happen. China has neither.

And people who think this is exclusive a Trump, right-wing position are seriously misguided. It's bi-partisan and will definitely continue under a Biden presidency as well.

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It's got nothing to do with "global internet", it's about a totalitarian surveillance dragnet capturing every bit of data imaginable about American children. Tik Tok is unique in the granularity and sheer scope of what it captures, and it is stored on Chinese servers that are legally compelled to make any and all data available to the CCP with no oversight or warrants or anything of the sort.

> a totalitarian surveillance dragnet capturing every bit of data imaginable about American children

Are non-Chinese surveillance dragnets (Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, Twitter, etc.) capturing every bit of data imaginable about every nationality's children or adults more palatable?

Just like China, the US is doing whatever it can to maintain its superpower status, and its allies and enemies in check. And it's obvious these days that the US is willing to use the exact same measures that they criticized in the past when they were employed only by China.

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Not sure if we should extrapolate from one White House administration as to what the US believes.

> During the Democrat presidential primaries, Biden called China’s President Xi Jinping, who is also the general secretary of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), a “thug” for having “a million Uyghurs in ‘reconstruction camps’ [sic] meaning concentration camps.

https://thediplomat.com/2020/07/team-bidens-policies-on-chin...

Whoever the next President is will not be soft on China.

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post #13

It should be clear to all but the most biased that: 1. Chinese companies are extensions of the state. This is not true to the same degree for US or European companies; and 2. China deliberately restricts access to the Chinese market so no foreign company will "win" there. It will always be a Chinese company. This is why companies kowtowing the China is so pointless. Trade is about reciprocity. Separation from the sta…

This is pretty much exactly my take on this, down to the assessment that shaking up Chinese trade policy is just about the only halfway sensible thing Trump has done. Are we crazy or has most of the rest of HN somehow missing the point of all this? The discussions about this here have been perplexing.

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post #17

It's got nothing to do with "global internet", it's about a totalitarian surveillance dragnet capturing every bit of data imaginable about American children. Tik Tok is unique in the granularity and sheer scope of what it captures, and it is stored on Chinese servers that are legally compelled to make any and all data available to the CCP with no oversight or warrants or anything of the sort.

> a totalitarian surveillance dragnet capturing every bit of data imaginable about American children Are non-Chinese surveillance dragnets (Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, Twitter, etc.) capturing every bit of data imaginable about every nationality's children or adults more palatable? Just like China, the US is doing whatever it can to maintain its superpower status, and its allies and enemies in check. And it's obvi…

You can file a freedom of information request or launch a lawsuit to contest a policy. You can be a whistleblower and leak illegal or immoral policies to media organisations. Or as an individual you can push journalists to investigate. Or launch an online campaign to draw attention to a particular issue.

You can't do any of that in China.

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