Note that similar effects have been observed with other critical illnesses: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1301372
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#12Note that similar effects have been observed with other critical illnesses: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1301372
Indeed, and as someone who is familiar with the condition often described as "we can't exactly work out what it is but I guess you could all it CFS/ME [1]", this is often linked to common viral infections including Epstein-Barr and cytomegalovirus.
CFS/ME sufferers often exhibit some of the neurological symptoms mentioned in the article (though not the more extreme/terminal ones like stroke).
Lyme disease sufferers also often exhibit these kinds of symptoms to some degree, which is why, in the absence of serology evidence, it can be difficult to distinguish from CFS/ME.
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#13People seem to have a naïve view of what “cured” means: someone “gets sick”, is treated, and then returns to the status quo ante. Thus there is little concern about catching the disease (or any disease) when you are not in an “at risk” group.
But hospital discharge just means the treatment you get stops being worth the time/money. Ideally you finish convalescing at home. But any consequential damage isn’t ignored, as if you just had had a dented panel replaced on your car.
Once I understood this error some of the discussion about dealing with the virus made sense.
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#14....most of which are mild, and which accompany any virus:
”According to Segura, who co-authored the study, the most common symptoms experienced by coronavirus patients were myalgia, headaches and dizziness.”
And the truly killer quote:
”Another large-scale study...showed that 90% of cases simultaneously experienced changes to, or the loss of, the sense of smell and taste. In most of these cases, these changes were the only clinical expression of coronavirus or were accompanied by other minor symptoms.”
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#15People seem to have a naïve view of what “cured” means: someone “gets sick”, is treated, and then returns to the status quo ante . Thus there is little concern about catching the disease (or any disease) when you are not in an “at risk” group. But hospital discharge just means the treatment you get stops being worth the time/money. Ideally you finish convalescing at home. But any consequential damage isn’t ignored, a…
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#16....most of which are mild, and which accompany any virus: ”According to Segura, who co-authored the study, the most common symptoms experienced by coronavirus patients were myalgia, headaches and dizziness.” And the truly killer quote: ”Another large-scale study...showed that 90% of cases simultaneously experienced changes to, or the loss of, the sense of smell and taste. In most of these cases, these changes were t…
There is a reason we get so concerned when there is evidence of CNS infection. It's not as simple as "loss of smell."
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#17....most of which are mild, and which accompany any virus: ”According to Segura, who co-authored the study, the most common symptoms experienced by coronavirus patients were myalgia, headaches and dizziness.” And the truly killer quote: ”Another large-scale study...showed that 90% of cases simultaneously experienced changes to, or the loss of, the sense of smell and taste. In most of these cases, these changes were t…
There is a reason we get so concerned when there is evidence of CNS infection. It's not as simple as "loss of smell."
The reason you “get so concerned” is because you are spreading fear, and you systematically attempt to censor anyone who points out that your fear isn’t supported by evidence.
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#18People seem to have a naïve view of what “cured” means: someone “gets sick”, is treated, and then returns to the status quo ante . Thus there is little concern about catching the disease (or any disease) when you are not in an “at risk” group. But hospital discharge just means the treatment you get stops being worth the time/money. Ideally you finish convalescing at home. But any consequential damage isn’t ignored, a…
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is a reason we get so concerned when there is evidence of CNS infection. It's not as simple as "loss of smell."
The reason you “get so concerned” is because you are spreading fear, and you systematically attempt to censor anyone who points out that your fear isn’t supported by evidence.
COVID-19 fear entered moral conviction territory long ago.
It's useless to argue the numbers or even suggest the possibility of evidence that tempers the doomsday fear.
It's like arguing against the religious.
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#20People seem to have a naïve view of what “cured” means: someone “gets sick”, is treated, and then returns to the status quo ante . Thus there is little concern about catching the disease (or any disease) when you are not in an “at risk” group. But hospital discharge just means the treatment you get stops being worth the time/money. Ideally you finish convalescing at home. But any consequential damage isn’t ignored, a…
Did you see the parts of the article where they say that the most severe, “consequential damage” is predominantly found in the elderly and most severely ill? You’re implying that people who have mild cases (>99% of all cases; remember: over 40% cases are so mild that they’re considered “asymptomatic”, and for every one case we detect, 10-20 others never even bother to be tested!) have some kind of neurological damage. That isn’t what this article says.
Aside from a very tiny group who had strokes (again, mostly elderly), this research shows predominantly mild symptoms that (e.g. headache, insomnia), which would not be expected to persist.
If you read past the headline, you will see that even this article makes it clear that the vast majority of patients have minimal symptoms:
” Another large-scale study, this one with 909 coronavirus patients in Madrid, showed that 90% of cases simultaneously experienced changes to, or the loss of, the sense of smell and taste. In most of these cases, these changes were the only clinical expression of coronavirus or were accompanied by other minor symptoms.”