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How the heart influences what we perceive and fear

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Re: How the heart influences what we perceive and fear

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> Cardiac activity can be divided into two phases: systole, when the heart muscle contracts and pumps out blood, followed by diastole, when it relaxes and refills with blood.

Respiration, acting through the sympathetic (fight or flight) nervous system (breathing in) and the parasympathetic (feed and breed) nervous system (breathing out) also impacts the heart as measured through Heart Rate Variability. Like many systems in biology, I suspect there is a network of feedback loops at play and they act in both directions.

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Have you done any mindfulness training?

Tried it, with limitted success. Maybe I should dive in deeper.

My experience with lay practitioners (such as myself) is that you may have to try a few different things to find something that works while living a regular life. The Mind Illuminated, the Sedona Method, Louise Hay, the work of the stoics, yoga, qigong, therapy, all provide different approaches to developing emotional intelligence and managing difficult states of mind. I did zen meditation for a decade and while it provided many benefits I still struggled with anger in my day to day life. Two months of reading about and applying the stoic principles completely changed that.

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> Cardiac activity can be divided into two phases: systole, when the heart muscle contracts and pumps out blood, followed by diastole, when it relaxes and refills with blood. Respiration, acting through the sympathetic (fight or flight) nervous system (breathing in) and the parasympathetic (feed and breed) nervous system (breathing out) also impacts the heart as measured through Heart Rate Variability. Like many syst…

The way I understand it is that this is partly a mechanical property as well: the chest cavity expands/contracts while breathing, which impacts how much room organs have, which can then stimulate nerves etc.

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My heart brought me a solid anxiety disorder. I have ventricular extrasystoles, been to a couple of different cardiologists, done longtime ecg monitoring, echocardiograms and everyone told me my heart is fine, and I should chill. Coupled with low blood potassium levels and increasing distrust in my heart, I developed a fear that I could get ventricular tachycardia, and basically die instantly. I'm 33. I know it's sli…

I feel your pain, and it sucks. I was sent to an ER after my GP noticed something wrong with my heart during a routine checkup..that was easily the scariest afternoon of my life. There is something profoundly frightening about a doctor telling you to get your arse to hospital ASAP because your heart is fucking up.

Several stressful hours later, the verdict came back: nothing abnormal. Of course, ever since that incident, my heart as been on my mind a lot more than I'd like. Getting a single skipped beat or a few palpitations sets me on edge. But the attention only means I notice more "errors". No heart is perfect, they all skip a beat every now and again, so I "know" it's OK, but it doesn't feel OK anymore. It's a particularly unpleasant kind of anxiety.

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My heart brought me a solid anxiety disorder. I have ventricular extrasystoles, been to a couple of different cardiologists, done longtime ecg monitoring, echocardiograms and everyone told me my heart is fine, and I should chill. Coupled with low blood potassium levels and increasing distrust in my heart, I developed a fear that I could get ventricular tachycardia, and basically die instantly. I'm 33. I know it's sli…

Have you done any mindfulness training?

I don't want to be rude because you are being helpful, but mindfulness is not the answer to everything. Mindfulness made me even more anxious because what I really needed was to see a psychologist.

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My heart brought me a solid anxiety disorder. I have ventricular extrasystoles, been to a couple of different cardiologists, done longtime ecg monitoring, echocardiograms and everyone told me my heart is fine, and I should chill. Coupled with low blood potassium levels and increasing distrust in my heart, I developed a fear that I could get ventricular tachycardia, and basically die instantly. I'm 33. I know it's sli…

I feel you. I occasionally get fairly strong palpitations that can last up to a minute in the worst cases (they seem to come in spells during various times of my life), and it does really feel awful. The first period it happened I got some bad hypochondria. (And I was thoroughly checked up multiple times. Nothing detectably wrong.)

I'm more used to it now, but the sense of doom still passes right through all my reasoning layers.

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My heart brought me a solid anxiety disorder. I have ventricular extrasystoles, been to a couple of different cardiologists, done longtime ecg monitoring, echocardiograms and everyone told me my heart is fine, and I should chill. Coupled with low blood potassium levels and increasing distrust in my heart, I developed a fear that I could get ventricular tachycardia, and basically die instantly. I'm 33. I know it's sli…

I am your exact same age and have exactly what you described except for the potassium levels. It really sucks. It's weird to realize that most people out there don't feel their heartbeat constantly, because it's been a background noise almost my whole life.

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My heart brought me a solid anxiety disorder. I have ventricular extrasystoles, been to a couple of different cardiologists, done longtime ecg monitoring, echocardiograms and everyone told me my heart is fine, and I should chill. Coupled with low blood potassium levels and increasing distrust in my heart, I developed a fear that I could get ventricular tachycardia, and basically die instantly. I'm 33. I know it's sli…

I am your exact same age and have exactly what you described except for the potassium levels. It really sucks. It's weird to realize that most people out there don't feel their heartbeat constantly, because it's been a background noise almost my whole life.

Yeah, my potassium is not constantly low. It's great and sad to hear that there are people out there with similar issues. I also feel my heartbeat effectively all the time. Caffeine makes it worse, so does alcohol. I stopped drinking alcohol, it made it a tiny bit better.

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Have you done any mindfulness training?

I don't want to be rude because you are being helpful, but mindfulness is not the answer to everything. Mindfulness made me even more anxious because what I really needed was to see a psychologist.

Just to provide an additional data point, I've sought relief from anxiety in meditation, failed, and then found great relief in cognitive-behavioral therapy. You're exactly right in that what's needed sometimes is conventional help from psychologists.

A few years ago, I delved again into meditation, this time more traditional Buddhist ones. I can't say emphatically enough that there is some deep knowledge there. Mindfulness (i.e. cultivating stable attention toward internal & external stimuli) is just the tip of the iceberg.

Like you, I found the expanded sensory stream provided by mindfulness training to be somewhat overwhelming. Imho, what's necessary to work with it fruitfully are: 1) developing the capacity of non-abiding, or not attaching/identifying too much with the flow of mental events, 2) training the unconscious mind to competently manage one's attention & awareness, so that you don't have constantly "pilot" your self.

Two books I've found indispensable are: The Mind Illuminated - John Yates, and The Rinzai Zen Way - Meido Moore

Of course, there's no substitute for a good teacher. Just be aware that there are many charlatans & New Age types who aren't so helpful. Good luck!

Re: How the heart influences what we perceive and fear

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My heart brought me a solid anxiety disorder. I have ventricular extrasystoles, been to a couple of different cardiologists, done longtime ecg monitoring, echocardiograms and everyone told me my heart is fine, and I should chill. Coupled with low blood potassium levels and increasing distrust in my heart, I developed a fear that I could get ventricular tachycardia, and basically die instantly. I'm 33. I know it's sli…

Once talking to my therapist about anxiety I get at night and can't sleep, she innocently asked "Can't you listen to the sound of your own breath or focus on your heart beat..." she didn't get any further. I instantly said "Dear god, no. If I focus on my heart beat at any moment I spiral into an anxious depressed mess"
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