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Bitcoin, a service and the micro-micro-economy

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Re: Bitcoin, a service and the micro-micro-economy

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Allow me to extol the virtues of bitcoin over the current credit-card/banking based payment system. 1)Hard money, once you receive payment in bitcoin it stays with you, meaning no chargebacks(Paypal, credit cards, looking at you). 2)Fast payment, you can recieve payment within minutes of it being made(sometimes faster, but more on this in a moment). 3) Low barriers of entry, to start accepting bitcoin you don't need…

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Re: Bitcoin, a service and the micro-micro-economy

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Allow me to extol the virtues of bitcoin over the current credit-card/banking based payment system. 1)Hard money, once you receive payment in bitcoin it stays with you, meaning no chargebacks(Paypal, credit cards, looking at you). 2)Fast payment, you can recieve payment within minutes of it being made(sometimes faster, but more on this in a moment). 3) Low barriers of entry, to start accepting bitcoin you don't need…

Thanks to bitcoin it makes things possible that other microtransaction systems cant do. If anyone wants to listen to a great podcast about it I recently discovered this - http://omegataupodcast.net/2011/03/59-bitcoin-a-digital-dece...

It is well worth a listen.

Re: Bitcoin, a service and the micro-micro-economy

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Unfortunately this model doesn't seem to work. If you look at what's getting votes it's things like pictures of girls and kittens.

It may not work. It's still too early to tell. If you look at other content sites that have tried to pay out to contributors (think Mahalo), their models didn't work either. Huffington post finds more success by paying nothing.

I think the problem here is that the introduction of payment changes the psychology from one of sharing information to one of maximizing income (gift Vs capital). In the latter mode of operation the quality of the information is a secondary concern.

Re: Bitcoin, a service and the micro-micro-economy

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It may not work. It's still too early to tell. If you look at other content sites that have tried to pay out to contributors (think Mahalo), their models didn't work either. Huffington post finds more success by paying nothing.

I think the problem here is that the introduction of payment changes the psychology from one of sharing information to one of maximizing income (gift Vs capital). In the latter mode of operation the quality of the information is a secondary concern.

I had similar misgivings/feelings while using the product. However: Two observations: 1.) they did include user-selected charities lately in their distribution of "upvote" profits; 2.) The point is less about making money, more about adverse selection (keeping out trolls). Nobody could subsist off of this in any real kind of way. If they did--the value they would have to provide would be immense.

Re: Bitcoin, a service and the micro-micro-economy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It may not work. It's still too early to tell. If you look at other content sites that have tried to pay out to contributors (think Mahalo), their models didn't work either. Huffington post finds more success by paying nothing.

I think the problem here is that the introduction of payment changes the psychology from one of sharing information to one of maximizing income (gift Vs capital). In the latter mode of operation the quality of the information is a secondary concern.

Hopefully the small amounts we are dealing with makes it less worthwhile for spammers as well as not seem like a purely profit driven incentive. All things in moderation as they say.

Re: Bitcoin, a service and the micro-micro-economy

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Unfortunately this model doesn't seem to work. If you look at what's getting votes it's things like pictures of girls and kittens.

Well if that's what people are willing to pay for then let them have it. I don't see how it doesn't work.

There is a cost if the articles isn't popular(which rules submitting any old crap)

There is a cost of voting up articles, which rules out people with too much time(and not enough money) on their hands scewing the numbers.

Perhaps it hasn't worked before, but then no one has tried doing this with bitcoin, that singular ingredient makes a lot of formerly impossible things very achievable.

Re: Bitcoin, a service and the micro-micro-economy

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Allow me to extol the virtues of bitcoin over the current credit-card/banking based payment system. 1)Hard money, once you receive payment in bitcoin it stays with you, meaning no chargebacks(Paypal, credit cards, looking at you). 2)Fast payment, you can recieve payment within minutes of it being made(sometimes faster, but more on this in a moment). 3) Low barriers of entry, to start accepting bitcoin you don't need…

Can you name some of those services that spring up? So far i have not been able to find anything that would make use of Bitcoins in an interesting way.

Re: Bitcoin, a service and the micro-micro-economy

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post #17

Allow me to extol the virtues of bitcoin over the current credit-card/banking based payment system. 1)Hard money, once you receive payment in bitcoin it stays with you, meaning no chargebacks(Paypal, credit cards, looking at you). 2)Fast payment, you can recieve payment within minutes of it being made(sometimes faster, but more on this in a moment). 3) Low barriers of entry, to start accepting bitcoin you don't need…

Can you name some of those services that spring up? So far i have not been able to find anything that would make use of Bitcoins in an interesting way.

The site mentioned in the article is a unique use of bitcoins. It makes it possible to give as you live http://witcoin.com/charities

The big upcoming service that will be able to utilise bitcoin is nfc which google is bringing to android. They recently introduced a bitcoin library so it will be a possibility at least.

Re: Bitcoin, a service and the micro-micro-economy

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Unfortunately this model doesn't seem to work. If you look at what's getting votes it's things like pictures of girls and kittens.

Well if that's what people are willing to pay for then let them have it. I don't see how it doesn't work. There is a cost if the articles isn't popular(which rules submitting any old crap) There is a cost of voting up articles, which rules out people with too much time(and not enough money) on their hands scewing the numbers. Perhaps it hasn't worked before, but then no one has tried doing this with bitcoin, that sin…

That's the same argument that the tabloid newspapers use, and it doesn't work for them either. What readers end up with is low quality information, popular conspiracy theories, sensationalism, voyeurism, etc. What's really needed is some kind of system which sets up a virtuous cycle rather than a downward spiral.

Re: Bitcoin, a service and the micro-micro-economy

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post #17

Allow me to extol the virtues of bitcoin over the current credit-card/banking based payment system. 1)Hard money, once you receive payment in bitcoin it stays with you, meaning no chargebacks(Paypal, credit cards, looking at you). 2)Fast payment, you can recieve payment within minutes of it being made(sometimes faster, but more on this in a moment). 3) Low barriers of entry, to start accepting bitcoin you don't need…

Can you name some of those services that spring up? So far i have not been able to find anything that would make use of Bitcoins in an interesting way.

Given the ease of BTC as an electronic currency, there are not too many unique services. BTCSportsbet is cool and CoinPal allows you to buy giftcards, etc. but nothing ground breaking. Witcoin is interesting/unique because it operates in this kind of "micro-economy" space that is disallowed in other currencies because of transaction fees and the hassle of setting up paypal, etc..

Bitcoin is perfect/preferable for very small transactions. This coupled with the fact that there simply aren't many Bitcoins out there probably points to unique ideas cropping up in the micro-micro-economy space. Check out https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Trade for a complete list of services.

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