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Can an extreme low carb diet be used as medicine?

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Re: Can an extreme low carb diet be used as medicine?

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Post by jhayward »

nkozyra wrote: post #8
el_don_almighty wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, in my personal experience. However, I suspect my body is just desperate to hold on to carbs and pack those bastards around my liver anyway, regardless of previous Keto periods or not. When I stick to Keto, I feel better, think better, poop better, I don't get headaches and I don't have acne. Is it magic? I dunno. The chemistry seems to support it. Years ago we called it Atkins (yes, I am older) and it worked gre…

I think the Atkins diet was low carbohydrate but not low enough to induce ketogenesis.

It did indeed induce ketogenesis, in fact regular testing of urine for presence of ketone bodies was how one monitored whether their carb intake was appropriate

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Post by tmikaeld »

nkozyra wrote: post #8
el_don_almighty wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, in my personal experience. However, I suspect my body is just desperate to hold on to carbs and pack those bastards around my liver anyway, regardless of previous Keto periods or not. When I stick to Keto, I feel better, think better, poop better, I don't get headaches and I don't have acne. Is it magic? I dunno. The chemistry seems to support it. Years ago we called it Atkins (yes, I am older) and it worked gre…

I think the Atkins diet was low carbohydrate but not low enough to induce ketogenesis.

Of course, eating high-carb meat like hot-dogs and chicken nuggets won't work.

I tested my urine during Atkins and I was either high or medium in Ketones. I did eat a lot of meat high in fat and little to no carbs.

I was able to keep being in ketosis while still eating about 50g carbs/day (Through meat products), while I was doing exercises daily.

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Post by randomchars »

amINeolib wrote: post #9
kesor wrote: post #5

Yes. And it has been used to cure some things you wouldn't believe. Here is the shortlist of the more serious illness that the PaleoMedicina group in Hungary have shown to effectively treat using their low-carb PKD protocol https://justmeat.co/wiki/pkd/ https://www.paleomedicina.com/en/paleolithic_ketogenic_diet_... Here are testimonies of even more people healing their serious diseases on a purely carnivore and zero…

With URLs like that, it makes me wonder if they are telling the whole story. I don't understand why people make science "pointed"? Do people get extra credit for not being the status quo? Heck all I want in Nutrition is some objective data. Someone be that scientist.

> Heck all I want in Nutrition is some objective data. Someone be that scientist.

This makes me very-very sad, but unfortunately that doesn't exists. Not only are studies are mostly observation, where you have to answer questions about what you eat (I can barely recall what I ate 3 days ago, not 3 months), and are usually funded by a corporation. You can basically find a study for everything and it's complete opposite.

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Post by ddorian43 »

tmikaeld wrote: post #12
nkozyra wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the Atkins diet was low carbohydrate but not low enough to induce ketogenesis.

Of course, eating high-carb meat like hot-dogs and chicken nuggets won't work. I tested my urine during Atkins and I was either high or medium in Ketones. I did eat a lot of meat high in fat and little to no carbs. I was able to keep being in ketosis while still eating about 50g carbs/day (Through meat products), while I was doing exercises daily.

Note for others tha urine isn't accurate. You need blood test.

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Post by dazag »

iand wrote: post #10

Can someone explain why ketosis is the secondary energy system in the body and not the primary?

It is the primary energy system. When a woman get pregnat, weeks before giving birth, she starts to produce ketones for the baby (it doesn't matter how many sugar the mum takes). And when the baby is born, meanwhile he drinks from mum milk he is in ketosis, because more than 50% of human milk is saturated fats. So yeah, we are in ketosis until we start to eat "food" high in carbs. The body can't burn fats if insuline is in your blood.

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Post by mrob »

iand wrote: post #10

Can someone explain why ketosis is the secondary energy system in the body and not the primary?

Probably because we can store far more fats than we can carbs. It makes sense to use the carbs first because that avoids the need to convert them to fats so they aren't wasted.

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Post by kesor »

iand wrote: post #10

Can someone explain why ketosis is the secondary energy system in the body and not the primary?

Because most people in modern society eat way too much carb, which makes glycogen the more bio available fuel and thus being the fuel that majority of humans use in modern times. It has not always been like this. And this state is not optimal, as the various diseases and illnesses caused by metabolic syndrome, that is caused by this overload of carbs, is a major problem for the health and well being of most of these people.
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