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Apple has €13bn Irish tax bill overturned

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Re: Apple has €13bn Irish tax bill overturned

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Irish media spinning this as a win for the irish people, while there are ongoing talks of increasing income tax on normal people to help cover the cost of this pandemic. Disgraceful.

Apple is ultimately normal people as well, either buying from them or working for them.

Re: Apple has €13bn Irish tax bill overturned

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From the original finding:

"The Commission's investigation concluded that Ireland granted illegal tax benefits to Apple, which enabled it to pay substantially less tax than other businesses over many years. In fact, this selective treatment allowed Apple to pay an effective corporate tax rate of 1 percent on its European profits in 2003 down to 0.005 percent in 2014." [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EU_illegal_State_aid_case_agai...

Re: Apple has €13bn Irish tax bill overturned

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This is a disgraceful verdict for the Irish people. We laid ourselves bare as a tax haven for MegaCorps, and now we're not even seeing the benefits.

> We laid ourselves bare as a tax haven This sort of silly emotionalism gets the conversation nowhere. If you can't write good rules to make companies give you money for efforts mostly done in other countries, what do you expect?

> If you can't write good rules to make companies give you money for efforts mostly done in other countries, what do you expect?

You make it sound like writing such rules is easy. I don't know of any countries thst have succeeded in doing so.

Re: Apple has €13bn Irish tax bill overturned

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post #3

This is a disgraceful verdict for the Irish people. We laid ourselves bare as a tax haven for MegaCorps, and now we're not even seeing the benefits.

No the European Court found for the Irish Government and dismissed pretty much out of hand the allegations that it had shown favouritism to Apple. Most of that €13billion would have gone to other countries anyway.

Are you suggesting it is better for Apple to keep it all rather than Ireland have to share with the rest of the EU?

Re: Apple has €13bn Irish tax bill overturned

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> “This case was not about how much tax we pay, but where we are required to pay it," Apple said in a statement. "We're proud to be the largest taxpayer in the world as we know the important role tax payments play in society." That’s a really beautiful example of spinning the story of what’s going on.

It is, after all, their area of expertise.

Re: Apple has €13bn Irish tax bill overturned

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I am Irish and perfectly fine with this being overturned. Irish capitalists will love it, Irish socialists will hate it, same as the rest of the World it depends on your personal prism. Overall seems the EC claim was weak enough to be overturned by appeal, so clearly not a water-tight case, burden of prove not strong enough:

"The EU's General Court said it had annulled that decision because the Commission had not proved that Apple had broken competition rules."

Re: Apple has €13bn Irish tax bill overturned

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> “This case was not about how much tax we pay, but where we are required to pay it," Apple said in a statement. "We're proud to be the largest taxpayer in the world as we know the important role tax payments play in society." That’s a really beautiful example of spinning the story of what’s going on.

An horrible company that makes great product. Such is my dilemma with Apple!

Re: Apple has €13bn Irish tax bill overturned

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Transfer pricing and tax havens are draining money out of the economies of most European countries, breaking the virtuous cycle where consumer spending also leads to salaries, taxes and more investment in the community, to keep the economy going - instead we have a shrinking middle class, as the fuel is drained from the engine. Ireland, Luxembourg and certain other countries are complicit in this. We clearly need better tax laws to combat this, but I'm glad the commission is trying to fight this to the extent they can within current laws, and I hope they win the case on appeal.
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