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IEEE: Pay $3000 and we'll remove your article's paywall.

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Re: IEEE: Pay $3000 and we'll remove your article's paywall.

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Post by guan »

$3,000 may be too much, but I basically like this idea. Isn’t the whole premise of (peer-reviewed) open access that authors would pay fees sufficient to cover the cost of publishing and peer review, so libraries aren’t ripped off by publishers? This is at least how PLoS and other leading open access journals I’ve heard of work.

If $3,000 is a ripoff, authors would refuse to pay and will pressure IEEE to reduce prices or take their business elsewhere, which has happened in a number of fields where open access journals have sprung up. Having libraries pay the publisher is not as effective for cost control.

Maybe peer review or even journals should die? I don’t quite agree, but if it’s true, having authors pay is probably the best way of bringing this about.

Re: IEEE: Pay $3000 and we'll remove your article's paywall.

#12

Post by Lewisham »

kilburn wrote: post #8

From the website: "Open access can coexist with traditional publishing. IEEE will continue to allow authors to post manuscripts of their articles accepted by IEEE journals on their own Web sites or those of their employers." Hence, it would be perfectly fine for me to publish on IEEE journals. Basically, if you want to read one of my articles you just have to look for it using google scholar. Is it that difficult?

...but remember this is only because they have no choice. IEEE/ACM would love to remove these clauses, but they've realized if they do, that's going to be the match that lights the fuse for all-out academic rebellion. It's not like that's a gift or some evidence that they are in any way reasonable.

They're totally aware of the precipitous situation they're in, they just don't want to/don't have the competency to fix their monetization strategy.

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Post by Lewisham »

andrewcurioso wrote: post #3

This is very topical for me. I have been drafting a paper that I was hoping to submit to the IEEE. This "might" change my mind. I'm not sure yet. There are stipulations that you can publish your work on personal sites if you get permission from the organization and you include a copyright notice at the top. Incidentally, they also have an optional but suggested charge for papers containing color diagrams and over-len…

Incidentally, they also have an optional but suggested charge for papers containing color diagrams and over-length papers.

These are wonderful holdovers from when people read papers in actual printed copies. When's the last time you read a paper from a printed copy from the publisher? That's why they're "optional" (and roundly ignored, AFAIK). It's another example of their completely outdated monetization methods.

Re: IEEE: Pay $3000 and we'll remove your article's paywall.

#15

Post by grsites »

This kind of gouging soon won't be a problem anymore. I'm in the process of creating an online service (launch date sometime this summer) that will provide completely free full-text access to all academic journals in one fell swoop. Think Napster for academic research.

I won't give implementation details for now, and I'm still evaluating different domain names, but it will be called Acropolis.

Yes, I know it will create a legal shitstorm, but I feel it's a small price to pay for what is at stake. To hell with it. Academic research is supposed to be free.

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Post by alecco »

grsites wrote: post #15

This kind of gouging soon won't be a problem anymore. I'm in the process of creating an online service (launch date sometime this summer) that will provide completely free full-text access to all academic journals in one fell swoop. Think Napster for academic research. I won't give implementation details for now, and I'm still evaluating different domain names, but it will be called Acropolis. Yes, I know it will cre…

Well, there are private torrent sites with most journals already. Or so I've heard ;)

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Post by grsites »

alecco wrote: post #16
grsites wrote: post #15

This kind of gouging soon won't be a problem anymore. I'm in the process of creating an online service (launch date sometime this summer) that will provide completely free full-text access to all academic journals in one fell swoop. Think Napster for academic research. I won't give implementation details for now, and I'm still evaluating different domain names, but it will be called Acropolis. Yes, I know it will cre…

Well, there are private torrent sites with most journals already. Or so I've heard ;)

I haven't found any, but I guess that's the problem: they're private.

Re: IEEE: Pay $3000 and we'll remove your article's paywall.

#18

Post by Mythrl »

I don't understand the criticism leveled at organizations like IEEE although maybe I'm missing something. These are professional organizations and consequently non-profits. So even though they charge a lot to access the articles, it implies that nobody is actually getting rich off this.

Edit: I know that there are some for profit publishing houses, but there are also many journals published by non-profits (IEEE being one of them).

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Post by aristus »

Mythrl wrote: post #18

I don't understand the criticism leveled at organizations like IEEE although maybe I'm missing something. These are professional organizations and consequently non-profits. So even though they charge a lot to access the articles, it implies that nobody is actually getting rich off this. Edit: I know that there are some for profit publishing houses, but there are also many journals published by non-profits (IEEE being…

nonprofit doesn't guarantee reasonable prices. The Computer Society arm of IEEE boasts 80K members, and over $200 million dollars cash reserves:

http://www.computer.org/portal/web/csdl/abs/html/mags/co/200...

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