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The Future of Online Identity Is Decentralized

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Re: The Future of Online Identity Is Decentralized

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In my ideal world, we have a framework for brick-and-mortar businesses to act as internet notary service providers.

If you want a general-purpose open-id style account, you visit a notary, and provide them with a fee and proof of your identity. You tell the notary how much information they can share (in particular, whether they can release your name to the internet, or just the "we verified this account is held by a real person" boolean).

The protocol would cover much more than passport info though. You could have a notary vouch that you're a licensed driver, or have a college degree, visited a certain country, etc.

That might cut through some flavors of online nonsense. It would also allow people to stay pseudonymous, and yet enable law enforcement to subpoena their identity, if they go on a killing spree, or hack a few million dollars worth of bitcoin.

Re: The Future of Online Identity Is Decentralized

#12
TL;DR advice is to use email as your account ID method on various sites, and author's new service to 'verify' the accounts in a central place so people will know they are the same user between sites.

This isn't really decentralization is it?, it's a new kind of account linking which requires one to trust the central verification authority.

Maybe I'm missing something.

Re: The Future of Online Identity Is Decentralized

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I agree with a lot of this post. A lot of the left-leaning intellectuals that are now criticizing the harder-left stances in academia; people like Brent Weinstine, Jonathan Haidt, Sam Harris, et. al. ... I've heard all of them say they want less anonymity and more accounts tied to real identities.

Whenever I hear this I think, "What? No! That's the opposite direction we should be going." Identities that are hard locked to real people makes it so easy to harass, mob, cancel and abuse people. At least in the US, most employers are at-will, allowing for Viewpoint Discrimination.

Anonymity does have its issues. It also does allow people to harass with more impunity. But in many ways, it also exposes more of the deep self and the controversial ideas people have that they are less and less likely to discuss outside of anonymity.

Even semi-anonymous platforms like Reddit are going back on previous commitments to free expression of ideas; and the effect is that Reddit is becoming more one-sided/one-direction, just like the platforms everyone is fleeing into.

Always use your e-mail to sign up for things. I rarely ever allow applications to connect via social media/OAuth. There was a time on the Internet where we thought all identity providers could be interchangeable. I ran an OpenID IDP for years, but fewer and fewer sites allow OpenID logins:

https://battlepenguin.com/tech/the-decline-of-openid/

Re: The Future of Online Identity Is Decentralized

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post #8

If anything, my bet is the future of identity is more centralized. Decentralized solutions, as I've read about them in their current form, require a significant amount of technical knowledge to understand. That is, to understand both what they are and, more importantly, their benefits ("why does this specific solution matter to me?"). Past that, the user experience is extremely poor in comparison to clicking "log in…

Couldn't the UX just be improved and deliver the benefit while hiding the complexity?

Re: The Future of Online Identity Is Decentralized

#15

There's the "European" ID4Me project ( https://id4me.org/ ), which tries to add federation on top of OpenID Connect / OAuth2. The idea is to give users globally valid IDs that contain a domain name. Using a TXT record on that domain you then specify which OpenID auth provider a service should use to authenticate the user. If you have your own domain this enables you to switch ID providers without having to update you…

What does federation bring here? Aren't OpenID identities already collision free?

I'd love to have SSO under my own control, and while it was theoretically possible with OpenID 2 things have gone backwards with OIDC with everyone supporting it but restricting login to just the big names (Google, Facebook, Apple).

I put together a simple stateless OID2/OIDC identity provider: https://gitlab.com/rendaw/oidle but I have yet to find a website I can actually use it on. I still have hope though.

Re: The Future of Online Identity Is Decentralized

#16

There's the "European" ID4Me project ( https://id4me.org/ ), which tries to add federation on top of OpenID Connect / OAuth2. The idea is to give users globally valid IDs that contain a domain name. Using a TXT record on that domain you then specify which OpenID auth provider a service should use to authenticate the user. If you have your own domain this enables you to switch ID providers without having to update you…

New Zealand had a program called Real Me. It's based on a completely and totally broken SAML2 implementation, that only gives you back a single token, and then you have to query another web service to get more information. Oh and years ago when we had to implement a product using it, their Identity Providers would give us different responses randomly ... and it once went down for two weeks straight.

Re: The Future of Online Identity Is Decentralized

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post #15

There's the "European" ID4Me project ( https://id4me.org/ ), which tries to add federation on top of OpenID Connect / OAuth2. The idea is to give users globally valid IDs that contain a domain name. Using a TXT record on that domain you then specify which OpenID auth provider a service should use to authenticate the user. If you have your own domain this enables you to switch ID providers without having to update you…

What does federation bring here? Aren't OpenID identities already collision free? I'd love to have SSO under my own control, and while it was theoretically possible with OpenID 2 things have gone backwards with OIDC with everyone supporting it but restricting login to just the big names (Google, Facebook, Apple). I put together a simple stateless OID2/OIDC identity provider: https://gitlab.com/rendaw/oidle but I have…

I had a classic OpenID server and every website I use to authentication against using it has gotten rid of OpenID support. Stackoverflow was the big one. I haven't tried OpenID Connect yet.

https://battlepenguin.com/tech/the-decline-of-openid/

Re: The Future of Online Identity Is Decentralized

#18

In my ideal world, we have a framework for brick-and-mortar businesses to act as internet notary service providers. If you want a general-purpose open-id style account, you visit a notary, and provide them with a fee and proof of your identity. You tell the notary how much information they can share (in particular, whether they can release your name to the internet, or just the "we verified this account is held by a…

> You could have a notary vouch that you're a licensed driver, or have a college degree, visited a certain country, etc.

Humans, generally, are very bad at caching document fraud. It wouldn't be a vouch for a licensed driver but instead it would be a vouch for "a bit of plastic that looked like a driving license to me".

There is lots of sophisticated fraud and often automated solutions have a much higher rate of detection than your average person, even with some training against common attacks.

Re: The Future of Online Identity Is Decentralized

#19

In my ideal world, we have a framework for brick-and-mortar businesses to act as internet notary service providers. If you want a general-purpose open-id style account, you visit a notary, and provide them with a fee and proof of your identity. You tell the notary how much information they can share (in particular, whether they can release your name to the internet, or just the "we verified this account is held by a…

It would create a small financial (and convenience) pressure to use one identity. Careful design would be needed to ensure that multiple identities are encouraged and accepted.

Re: The Future of Online Identity Is Decentralized

#20

I agree with a lot of this post. A lot of the left-leaning intellectuals that are now criticizing the harder-left stances in academia; people like Brent Weinstine, Jonathan Haidt, Sam Harris, et. al. ... I've heard all of them say they want less anonymity and more accounts tied to real identities. Whenever I hear this I think, "What? No! That's the opposite direction we should be going." Identities that are hard lock…

how about we have a whole range of options so that we can express our full selves via the various venues made available?

sometimes you want (pseudo-)anonymity and sometimes you don't. being able to pick and choose seems to offer the greatest freedom, rather than pigeon-holing everyone into one option.

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