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ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020

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Re: ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020

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I had hoped my university (Brown) would follow Harvard's suit and err on the side of remote instruction this coming year. With this policy announcement, the chances of that dwindle. Brown had made special accommodations to allow their international students to remain in dorms over this summer. By eliminating extraneous travel, these accommodations were in the best interest of both these students and the general publi…

> Who is served by expelling them!?

The nativist agenda.

Re: ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably international students will now attend in person classes and others will be fully remote. Weird to even think that such drastic changes are all happening during a pandemic.

International students attend classes in separate rooms, looking at live video feed.

What a mess. There will be schools that have confusing plans, ICE won't quite get that student A is in program B that followed plan C and now they switched to D so something something. Just another piece of terror for all those students to deal with, worrying about immigration confusion.

Re: ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020

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Such pathetic leadership. International students already in the country must now either attend an in person class and risk their lives, or fly out from the country with the highest number of infections and spread it to their friends and family at home. Not to mention the loss to the research community.

I can’t see anything that is to be gained from this, other than pandering to a xenophobic voter base.

Re: ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020

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Most relevant part: "Active students currently in the United States enrolled in such programs must depart the country or take other measures, such as transferring to a school with in-person instruction to remain in lawful status. If not, they may face immigration consequences including, but not limited to, the initiation of removal proceedings." I wonder if the Harvard decision today will be modified in response to t…

Probably international students will now attend in person classes and others will be fully remote. Weird to even think that such drastic changes are all happening during a pandemic.

The students may not have that choice. Professors are equally worried about their health and that of their students and are trying hard not to be in classrooms.

Re: ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably international students will now attend in person classes and others will be fully remote. Weird to even think that such drastic changes are all happening during a pandemic.

Agree. I wonder what is the rationale for all this. Other than plain old xenophobia. Will this reduce pandemic ? No, it will incentivize colleges to offer in-person classes promoting COVID. Will this reduce students on non-immigration visas ? Not sure it does (students might find in-person classes somewhere). Some students might just say 'fuck it' and study elsewhere. Maybe that's good for them. Will this reduce unem…

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Re: ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020

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This is intended to punish foreign students - either move to an unsafe university or get out and reset your visa. With a government that’s decided to block visa applications arbitrarily. Alternatively universities have to reopen to people so that it looks like they agree with the absurd demands of the current administration to open earlier than they should.

And this is how you piss off a bunch of 18-23 year olds who may have had foreign friends impacted by this. Maybe this gets the youth vote out?

Re: ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020

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Such pathetic leadership. International students already in the country must now either attend an in person class and risk their lives, or fly out from the country with the highest number of infections and spread it to their friends and family at home. Not to mention the loss to the research community. I can’t see anything that is to be gained from this, other than pandering to a xenophobic voter base.

You may be interested in reading the president's thoughtful policy proposal here: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/12802099460853391...

Re: ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020

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Such pathetic leadership. International students already in the country must now either attend an in person class and risk their lives, or fly out from the country with the highest number of infections and spread it to their friends and family at home. Not to mention the loss to the research community. I can’t see anything that is to be gained from this, other than pandering to a xenophobic voter base.

Are any universities even offering in person classes? I doubt it. This seems designed/intended to chase away immigrants.

Re: ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020

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post #13

Such pathetic leadership. International students already in the country must now either attend an in person class and risk their lives, or fly out from the country with the highest number of infections and spread it to their friends and family at home. Not to mention the loss to the research community. I can’t see anything that is to be gained from this, other than pandering to a xenophobic voter base.

Are any universities even offering in person classes? I doubt it. This seems designed/intended to chase away immigrants.

> This seems designed/intended to chase away immigrants.

No, it's designed to chase away non-immigrant student visa holders.

But it's part of a broader set of policies designed to make the US hostile to foreigners, whether current visa holders, non-immigrants visa applicants, or immigrant visa applicants.

Re: ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020

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Such pathetic leadership. International students already in the country must now either attend an in person class and risk their lives, or fly out from the country with the highest number of infections and spread it to their friends and family at home. Not to mention the loss to the research community. I can’t see anything that is to be gained from this, other than pandering to a xenophobic voter base.

Only possible good thing I can see from a US student perspective is that it's now more reasonable to go to grad school in US. Many programs in STEM have gotten out of hand with the number of the foreign graduate students--in some programs the number is over 80% [1]. I think this has led to the US educating many persons who later leave the country for visa issues. Also, some of the competition to get in can be considered bogus: near perfect GRE math which measures high school level math skills is hardly germane for research.

https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2017/10/11/foreign...

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