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DuckDuckGo coming back online in India following country-wide block

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Re: DuckDuckGo coming back online in India following country-wide block

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Countries that block "Wikipedia or something like that" already exist. And citizens, corporations, and governments are fine with it.

Are citizens really fine with this? Most of the blocking countries have an active underground VPN scene.

This is true, but it's important to consider that most of the population is entirely oblivious. It's a little sad.

Re: DuckDuckGo coming back online in India following country-wide block

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DDG was blocked for the past several days. The issue came up on /r/duckduckgo and /r/india, following which the Internet Freedom Foundation wrote to the Department of Telecom [1] DDG is working for me again (it's my default search engine) so that's a relief. In the past, the government or the ISPs in India have nonchalantly blocked several websites and even NSFW sub-reddits. The IFF even has a dump of blocking orders…

I'm fairly annoyed that the list of websites blocked is not made available. Also, how do you block a specific subreddit!?

Re: DuckDuckGo coming back online in India following country-wide block

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Now they can have awful search results again.

I would love to be able to say "use ddg, they respect your privacy and they're almost as good as Google" but several times today I got mind-bogglingly bad results from it. Same search in Google... Yes, these are the results I was looking for.

What's really odd is that i reran one of those searches just now and the results aren't actually as bad. Super confused.

Re: DuckDuckGo coming back online in India following country-wide block

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Pretty much. In addition there is no real enforcement to see that only the sites requested are blocked. And ISPs (Jio especially) have started taking creative license with block orders. For a lot of ISPs this blocking is implemented at DNS resolution level, which is easy to bypass (just change your DNS resolver), but the most popular ISP (Jio) does not do it this way, and is pretty much impossible to get around.

How does Jio do it? Would encrypted SNI help in thwarting that?

I think it will on some supported sites. Enable the dns over https option in firefox.

Check the status here - https://www.cloudflare.com/ssl/encrypted-sni/

Your best bet would still be a vpn which will work on all the sites.

Re: DuckDuckGo coming back online in India following country-wide block

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post #9

DDG was blocked for the past several days. The issue came up on /r/duckduckgo and /r/india, following which the Internet Freedom Foundation wrote to the Department of Telecom [1] DDG is working for me again (it's my default search engine) so that's a relief. In the past, the government or the ISPs in India have nonchalantly blocked several websites and even NSFW sub-reddits. The IFF even has a dump of blocking orders…

I'm fairly annoyed that the list of websites blocked is not made available. Also, how do you block a specific subreddit!?

This sheet is being regularly updated I believe. Has entries from even the justice-for-sikhs websites that were banned few hours ago.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17VJKBTBnHDpLTXOrB58L...

Re: DuckDuckGo coming back online in India following country-wide block

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post #9

DDG was blocked for the past several days. The issue came up on /r/duckduckgo and /r/india, following which the Internet Freedom Foundation wrote to the Department of Telecom [1] DDG is working for me again (it's my default search engine) so that's a relief. In the past, the government or the ISPs in India have nonchalantly blocked several websites and even NSFW sub-reddits. The IFF even has a dump of blocking orders…

I'm fairly annoyed that the list of websites blocked is not made available. Also, how do you block a specific subreddit!?

By making request to reddit.

Re: DuckDuckGo coming back online in India following country-wide block

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Now they can have awful search results again. I would love to be able to say "use ddg, they respect your privacy and they're almost as good as Google" but several times today I got mind-bogglingly bad results from it. Same search in Google... Yes, these are the results I was looking for. What's really odd is that i reran one of those searches just now and the results aren't actually as bad. Super confused.

Yes I have noticed that ddg is extremely inconsistent over time, sometimes for what I think are almost the same queries. It's also highly variable in its speed - Google is almost always instant, but ddg can vary from the same speed as Google one day, to taking many seconds to load a result the next.

Re: DuckDuckGo coming back online in India following country-wide block

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are citizens really fine with this? Most of the blocking countries have an active underground VPN scene.

This is true, but it's important to consider that most of the population is entirely oblivious. It's a little sad.

You're not wrong, but "doesn't notice the taste of lead" != "fine with being fed lead".

Edit: better analogy than arsenic.

Re: DuckDuckGo coming back online in India following country-wide block

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Now they can have awful search results again. I would love to be able to say "use ddg, they respect your privacy and they're almost as good as Google" but several times today I got mind-bogglingly bad results from it. Same search in Google... Yes, these are the results I was looking for. What's really odd is that i reran one of those searches just now and the results aren't actually as bad. Super confused.

I would speculate that DDG caches its results and then fuzzy-matches them with other search queries (maybe fuzzier and fuzzier based on load). So if you enter a similar query, you may get a previously-cached list of hits, which may or may not be as relevant as if your query was actually run. This is just speculation though

Re: DuckDuckGo coming back online in India following country-wide block

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It's quite scary to think that some countries can just instantly axe access to important services like that. This time it was, supposedly, a mistake. What if next time they decide to block Wikipedia or something like that? I know they tried to block Telegram before the citizens pushed back.

>> can just instantly axe access to important services like that.

It isn't that simple. Just look at China. To enforce their internet censorship they have to spend billions on a massive technological complex. But the locals still know how to get around it when necessary. Once upon a time TOR was a complicated little tool requiring multiple layers of software to run properly. Now The Tor Browser is an app that any kid can download and use on any device. The days of governments turning off websites by removing their DNS entries are long gone.

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