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Re: Treatment with Hydroxychloroquine Cut Death Rate Significantly

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Post by stkdump » Sat, Jul 04, 2020, 5:39 AM UTC

m_mueller wrote: post #9

listenallyall wrote: post #7

It's simply amazing how the American mainstream media has chosen to report on hydrochloriquine as a bad, dangerous, potentially harmful drug prematurely, before any real testing has been completed. The results in this particular study may not hold up in wider testing, but they certainly might. How do these media members plan to reverse course if in fact, hydrochloriquine becomes a widely recommended treatment for Cov…

So if I get it right from this cesspool of comments here, pro hydroxy chloroquine means your must be right wing while pro masks is a left wing signal? Are people really that nuts or is this some massive troll operation going on?

I am not sure, if in the hour since you posted your comment stuff was deleted. But which exact comment do you refer to?

Re: Treatment with Hydroxychloroquine Cut Death Rate Significantly

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Post by m_mueller » Sat, Jul 04, 2020, 7:37 AM UTC

stkdump wrote: post #11

m_mueller wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if I get it right from this cesspool of comments here, pro hydroxy chloroquine means your must be right wing while pro masks is a left wing signal? Are people really that nuts or is this some massive troll operation going on?

I am not sure, if in the hour since you posted your comment stuff was deleted. But which exact comment do you refer to?

The dead comments. I think you can activate them somehow.

Re: Treatment with Hydroxychloroquine Cut Death Rate Significantly

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Post by rumanator » Sat, Jul 04, 2020, 7:41 AM UTC

listenallyall wrote: post #7

It's simply amazing how the American mainstream media has chosen to report on hydrochloriquine as a bad, dangerous, potentially harmful drug prematurely, before any real testing has been completed. The results in this particular study may not hold up in wider testing, but they certainly might. How do these media members plan to reverse course if in fact, hydrochloriquine becomes a widely recommended treatment for Cov…

> It's simply amazing how the American mainstream media has chosen to report on hydrochloriquine as a bad, dangerous, potentially harmful drug prematurely, before any real testing has been completed.

You got it entirely backwards.

The drug has been pushed hard politically as a covid19 silver bullet although there were zero evidence and zero scientific studies on the subject.

In response the scientific community responded by pointing the elephant in the room, and warning the public of the dangers of swallowing an unknown drug with known dangerous side-effects without any knowledge of its effectiveness other than political propaganda by an anti-intellectual political group.

Let's not forget that so far there have been scientific studies that demonstrate that hydroxichloroquine has no observable effect on covid19 death rates. Yet, the drug keeps being pushed as political propaganda, this time around to also fuel conspiracy theories.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/three-big-studies-di...

Re: Treatment with Hydroxychloroquine Cut Death Rate Significantly

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Post by tom_mellior » Sat, Jul 04, 2020, 8:05 AM UTC

tryptophan wrote: post #10

ec109685 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I couldn’t figure out from the paper what was the criteria for giving each of the drugs.

Seems it was not random which is a minus, but >The combination of hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin was reserved for selected patients with severe COVID-19 and with minimal cardiac risk factors. This group still saw improvement over no treatment, which is a huge plus(unless cardiac function is correlated with covid susceptibility).

> unless cardiac function is correlated with covid susceptibility

Chronic heart disease is a factor associated with higher risk of COVID-19-related hospital death, https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.06.20092999v... gives a hazard ratio of 1.27 adjusted for all the many other factors they looked at.

So yes, it looks to me like at least some of what this Ford study measured was indeed that difference between people with pre-existing conditions dying at a higher rate than people without.

Re: Treatment with Hydroxychloroquine Cut Death Rate Significantly

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Post by listenallyall » Sat, Jul 04, 2020, 8:50 AM UTC

rumanator wrote: post #13

listenallyall wrote: post #7

It's simply amazing how the American mainstream media has chosen to report on hydrochloriquine as a bad, dangerous, potentially harmful drug prematurely, before any real testing has been completed. The results in this particular study may not hold up in wider testing, but they certainly might. How do these media members plan to reverse course if in fact, hydrochloriquine becomes a widely recommended treatment for Cov…

> It's simply amazing how the American mainstream media has chosen to report on hydrochloriquine as a bad, dangerous, potentially harmful drug prematurely, before any real testing has been completed. You got it entirely backwards. The drug has been pushed hard politically as a covid19 silver bullet although there were zero evidence and zero scientific studies on the subject. In response the scientific community respo…

Your article is dated June 9th, it's irrelevant since the comments I linked to were made on May 20, 3 weeks earlier. Yes, the drug has been politicized. That still doesn't mean it doesn't or cannot work, and this Ford study states that it does in fact show promise in reducing death rates.

All I'm saying is that the media planted its flag well before any conclusions could be made. Some politicians did as well (Trump, mostly), sure, but they never claim to be "objective."

Re: Treatment with Hydroxychloroquine Cut Death Rate Significantly

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Post by jbirer » Sat, Jul 04, 2020, 9:04 AM UTC

listenallyall wrote: post #7

It's simply amazing how the American mainstream media has chosen to report on hydrochloriquine as a bad, dangerous, potentially harmful drug prematurely, before any real testing has been completed. The results in this particular study may not hold up in wider testing, but they certainly might. How do these media members plan to reverse course if in fact, hydrochloriquine becomes a widely recommended treatment for Cov…

They literally discouraged people to use a potentially beneficial treatment just because Trump endorsed it. It's insane.

Re: Treatment with Hydroxychloroquine Cut Death Rate Significantly

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jul 04, 2020, 9:08 AM UTC

m_mueller wrote: post #9

listenallyall wrote: post #7

It's simply amazing how the American mainstream media has chosen to report on hydrochloriquine as a bad, dangerous, potentially harmful drug prematurely, before any real testing has been completed. The results in this particular study may not hold up in wider testing, but they certainly might. How do these media members plan to reverse course if in fact, hydrochloriquine becomes a widely recommended treatment for Cov…

So if I get it right from this cesspool of comments here, pro hydroxy chloroquine means your must be right wing while pro masks is a left wing signal? Are people really that nuts or is this some massive troll operation going on?

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Re: Treatment with Hydroxychloroquine Cut Death Rate Significantly

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Post by D2187645 » Sat, Jul 04, 2020, 9:58 AM UTC

jbirer wrote: post #16

listenallyall wrote: post #7

It's simply amazing how the American mainstream media has chosen to report on hydrochloriquine as a bad, dangerous, potentially harmful drug prematurely, before any real testing has been completed. The results in this particular study may not hold up in wider testing, but they certainly might. How do these media members plan to reverse course if in fact, hydrochloriquine becomes a widely recommended treatment for Cov…

They literally discouraged people to use a potentially beneficial treatment just because Trump endorsed it. It's insane.

Trump should not have endorsed a treatment because he "felt" it was good. This forced scientists/media to issue warnings when people were dieing from preemptive self medication. It is really easy to overdose, and has complications for people with cardiac issues.

Re: Treatment with Hydroxychloroquine Cut Death Rate Significantly

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Post by bandushrew » Sat, Jul 04, 2020, 11:22 AM UTC

jbirer wrote: post #16

listenallyall wrote: post #7

It's simply amazing how the American mainstream media has chosen to report on hydrochloriquine as a bad, dangerous, potentially harmful drug prematurely, before any real testing has been completed. The results in this particular study may not hold up in wider testing, but they certainly might. How do these media members plan to reverse course if in fact, hydrochloriquine becomes a widely recommended treatment for Cov…

They literally discouraged people to use a potentially beneficial treatment just because Trump endorsed it. It's insane.

Trump should definitely not ever, ever, EVER have endorsed a drug that was not thoroughly tested for the purpose he was recommending it.

that was insane.

Everything that followed makes sense...of course the entire scientific and medical world fell over itself to stop people trying to use it.....until it was tested and proven effective and safe for the purpose.

* incidentally, I have no idea why a US President would ever endorse any drug at all, let alone one that was untested.

Re: Treatment with Hydroxychloroquine Cut Death Rate Significantly

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Post by rumanator » Sat, Jul 04, 2020, 12:21 PM UTC

listenallyall wrote: post #15

rumanator wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's simply amazing how the American mainstream media has chosen to report on hydrochloriquine as a bad, dangerous, potentially harmful drug prematurely, before any real testing has been completed. You got it entirely backwards. The drug has been pushed hard politically as a covid19 silver bullet although there were zero evidence and zero scientific studies on the subject. In response the scientific community respo…

Your article is dated June 9th, it's irrelevant since the comments I linked to were made on May 20, 3 weeks earlier. Yes, the drug has been politicized. That still doesn't mean it doesn't or cannot work, and this Ford study states that it does in fact show promise in reducing death rates. All I'm saying is that the media planted its flag well before any conclusions could be made. Some politicians did as well (Trump,…

> Your article is dated June 9th, it's irrelevant since the comments I linked to were made on May 20, 3 weeks earlier.

Your comment makes no sense at all. The politization of hydrochloriquine has been ongoing for months, and these studies you're trying to ignore were triggered by the politization of hydrochloriquine as they are aimed to gather information to confirm or reject the baseless assertion made by a particular political group.

And the baseless assertion has been rejected.

> Yes, the drug has been politicized.

You're downplaying the whole political shitstorm that was created around this drug. It was sold by a political group as a magic bullet against covid19, intending to downplay the natural consequences of having denied that the epidemic was something to be taken seriously. After a few months ridiculing the disease and ridiculing other governments for taking action to contain its spread, when covid19 started to spread out of control within the US then hydrochloriquine was presented as a silver bullet that turned the disease into a non-issue, in spite of the total absence of any evidence supporting the outlandish political statement.

> All I'm saying is that the media planted its flag

There is no flag to plant. A political group which is militantly anti-intellectual decided to make a totally baseless assertion regarding the effectiveness of a particular drug to treat and cure an epidemic.

Consequently that political group was called out for their bullshit.

This sort of bullshit claim is not the only instance of this mind-numbingly propensity to sell snake oil treatments as national policies. We're talking about the people who felt it was a good idea to suggest injecting disinfectant to treat a viral infection.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKCe8Pq_RUA