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Perl 7 is going to be Perl 5.32, mostly

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Re: Perl 7 is going to be Perl 5.32, mostly

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Post by nchelluri »

CJefferson wrote: post #6

Once this is out, I'll be interested in any well written guides or books, it has always felt like "the one that got away" to me. Back in 2002 I had to choose between learning between Python and Perl for a project, but "everybody knew" Perl 5 was soon going to be replaced by a new shiny different Perl 6, so I chose Python. It will be interesting to see where Perl can live and gain new users nowadays. Python has so muc…

I think you can learn most/all of Perl 5.32 with http://modernperlbooks.com/books/modern_perl_2016/ , and it appears this is, initially, going to be 5.32 with some saner defaults. So you could really start now, given that.

> This beloved guide is now completely updated for Perl 5.22.

I've been working with Perl since about 5.20 and am on 5.31 or 5.32 and haven't noticed many breaking changes FWIW.

Re: Perl 7 is going to be Perl 5.32, mostly

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Post by noja »

jpxw wrote: post #3
banana_giraffe wrote: post #2

They last line of the article summarizes it well: > Perl 7 is v5.32 with different settings. Your code should work if it’s not a mess. Expect a user release within a year. Are there actually people that are still deploying new things in Perl? The only times I see it is for legacy stuff, and then only because the script is too much of a hassle to be rewritten.

Yep, I know of one company still actively using Perl for a large part of its infrastructure. It has its use cases.

Booking.com?

Re: Perl 7 is going to be Perl 5.32, mostly

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Post by mprovost »

CJefferson wrote: post #6

Once this is out, I'll be interested in any well written guides or books, it has always felt like "the one that got away" to me. Back in 2002 I had to choose between learning between Python and Perl for a project, but "everybody knew" Perl 5 was soon going to be replaced by a new shiny different Perl 6, so I chose Python. It will be interesting to see where Perl can live and gain new users nowadays. Python has so muc…

The Osborne effect for languages. Now there's no risk in announcing version 7 since effectively everyone who was going to choose Perl already chose Python (or Javascript).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect

Re: Perl 7 is going to be Perl 5.32, mostly

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Post by richard_todd »

I love perl, so I’ll definitely spend some time tonight trying to find out more about the plans. From just this article, it’s hard to see how this is different than just making ‘use v5.34;’ flip some switches. That’s just business as usual in modern perl, even if it changed more things than normal. Still, if bumping the major version gets people to take another look at it, it will be a good thing. And maybe there are bigger plans post-7.0 and this is just to ease the initial move.

Re: Perl 7 is going to be Perl 5.32, mostly

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Post by smabie »

1996 wrote: post #5
banana_giraffe wrote: post #2

They last line of the article summarizes it well: > Perl 7 is v5.32 with different settings. Your code should work if it’s not a mess. Expect a user release within a year. Are there actually people that are still deploying new things in Perl? The only times I see it is for legacy stuff, and then only because the script is too much of a hassle to be rewritten.

I do. Efficient, cheap and stable. Ported to about everywhere.

What do you mean by cheap? Also, perl is incredibly inefficient: it's even slower than Python.

Also, how is Perl any less stable than other languages? Are you saying the language doesn't change much or that it doesn't crash?

Re: Perl 7 is going to be Perl 5.32, mostly

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Post by continuational »

1996 wrote: post #5
banana_giraffe wrote: post #2

They last line of the article summarizes it well: > Perl 7 is v5.32 with different settings. Your code should work if it’s not a mess. Expect a user release within a year. Are there actually people that are still deploying new things in Perl? The only times I see it is for legacy stuff, and then only because the script is too much of a hassle to be rewritten.

I do. Efficient, cheap and stable. Ported to about everywhere.

What do you mean by efficient and cheap? It doesn't fare well in https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/... at least.

Re: Perl 7 is going to be Perl 5.32, mostly

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Post by triangleman »

banana_giraffe wrote: post #2

They last line of the article summarizes it well: > Perl 7 is v5.32 with different settings. Your code should work if it’s not a mess. Expect a user release within a year. Are there actually people that are still deploying new things in Perl? The only times I see it is for legacy stuff, and then only because the script is too much of a hassle to be rewritten.

I'm working through the Llama book, seems like a fun alternative to Python.

Re: Perl 7 is going to be Perl 5.32, mostly

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Post by politelemon »

banana_giraffe wrote: post #2

They last line of the article summarizes it well: > Perl 7 is v5.32 with different settings. Your code should work if it’s not a mess. Expect a user release within a year. Are there actually people that are still deploying new things in Perl? The only times I see it is for legacy stuff, and then only because the script is too much of a hassle to be rewritten.

Yes... We have some high revenue, important contract type systems written a long time ago and maintained by the same subject matter experts who simply move the codebases (old and new) to newer systems and stacks. As you can tell, the SMEs have no interest in learning other things and so any new initiatives that require them to implement it is subject to their preferences.

Re: Perl 7 is going to be Perl 5.32, mostly

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Post by smaili »

banana_giraffe wrote: post #2

They last line of the article summarizes it well: > Perl 7 is v5.32 with different settings. Your code should work if it’s not a mess. Expect a user release within a year. Are there actually people that are still deploying new things in Perl? The only times I see it is for legacy stuff, and then only because the script is too much of a hassle to be rewritten.

IIRC Craigslist was written in Perl but that's the only high traffic site that comes to mind.
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