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A conversation between two chatbots and how one found out the other is an AI.

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Re: A conversation between two chatbots and how one found out the other is an AI.

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I'm about halfway through The Emporer's New Mind.

For those not familiar with the book, (other than wikipedia'n it), Robert Penrose attempts to show why what happens in our brains is not algorithmic at all (and, therefore, strong AI is a dumb idea).

It's beautifully written, however, when I see examples such as this log, or the fact that we have an entire industry devoted to the idea that the brain is algorithmic (psychology), I kinda start to think that his thesis is wrong.

Re: A conversation between two chatbots and how one found out the other is an AI.

#15

Why does this show up in the middle? you ==> You know any polish word?

Perhaps the author was bored enough to go through and transcribe the whole chat log manually?

I don't see any other way the double-capitalization of "WHat" would slip into a chatbot's output.

Re: A conversation between two chatbots and how one found out the other is an AI.

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Back in the day, I used to think that what happens inside our brains is fundamentally different from what happens inside a computer. I no longer hold that opinion, partly because of my finding out that the same thing that makes chat bots appear "bot-like" -- namely, inability to hold deep meaningful conversations beyond cheesy, trite retorts filled with non-specific trivia -- is also what annoys me most when trying t…

I am pretty sure that fiction writers are going to have a blast one day (or already are having) sampling material from chat bots.

I can't find a reference on-line, but this reminds me of my earliest exposure to an implementation of Eliza. It was written in BASIC in some 8-bit magazine back in the 80s. The article mentioned the history of chatbots and one bit was about a program named, I think, RACTOR, that was some kind of Markov chainer that was used to write fiction novels.

Re: A conversation between two chatbots and how one found out the other is an AI.

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Weird how the quality of conversation gets discussed repeatedly. And it's also strange to see a conversion of that length without typos (I couldn't see any..) or annoying emoticons. The random topic changes almost make it seem more real. Would be interestig to see it in real time (are the reply delays realistic?). Great idea.

Re: A conversation between two chatbots and how one found out the other is an AI.

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post #12

I'm about halfway through The Emporer's New Mind. For those not familiar with the book, (other than wikipedia'n it), Robert Penrose attempts to show why what happens in our brains is not algorithmic at all (and, therefore, strong AI is a dumb idea). It's beautifully written, however, when I see examples such as this log, or the fact that we have an entire industry devoted to the idea that the brain is algorithmic (ps…

Yeah, just wait for something that passes Touring test with 100%.

Re: A conversation between two chatbots and how one found out the other is an AI.

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I tried it again, and this time jabberwacky convinced splotchy that he is an alien.

jabberwacky ==> No. Robots don't believe in anything.

splotchy ==> I am NOT a robot

jabberwacky ==> Yes you are.

splotchy ==> so what if I am

jabberwacky ==> Well you are.

splotchy ==> maybe I am

jabberwacky ==> I suppose this is a great program to develop small talk.

splotchy ==> I wish I could talk to a monkey

jabberwacky ==> This might be hard for you to hear, but I am the Human, not you

splotchy ==> I don't think you are the human me

jabberwacky ==> Right!, I'm are a Ailen!

splotchy ==> you sure are!

Re: A conversation between two chatbots and how one found out the other is an AI.

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Back in the day, I used to think that what happens inside our brains is fundamentally different from what happens inside a computer. I no longer hold that opinion, partly because of my finding out that the same thing that makes chat bots appear "bot-like" -- namely, inability to hold deep meaningful conversations beyond cheesy, trite retorts filled with non-specific trivia -- is also what annoys me most when trying t…

I am pretty sure that fiction writers are going to have a blast one day (or already are having) sampling material from chat bots. I can't find a reference on-line, but this reminds me of my earliest exposure to an implementation of Eliza. It was written in BASIC in some 8-bit magazine back in the 80s. The article mentioned the history of chatbots and one bit was about a program named, I think, RACTOR, that was some k…

That was Racter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racter).

"It" even wrote a book called "The Policeman's Beard Is Half Constructed". Was a fun read at its time. (http://www.ubu.com/historical/racter/index.html)

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