"If you give a person a fish, he can eat for a day. If you teach a person to fish, he can eat his whole life long. If you give a person tools, he can make a fishing pole—and lots of other tools! He can build a machine to crank out fishing poles." That's the essence of programming.
Guy Steele: Growing a Language (video 53:30)
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Re: Guy Steele: Growing a Language (video 53:30)
#12"If you give a person a fish, he can eat for a day. If you teach a person to fish, he can eat his whole life long. If you give a person tools, he can make a fishing pole—and lots of other tools! He can build a machine to crank out fishing poles." That's the essence of programming.
If the river runs dry, or gets polluted, knowing how to fish won't help you. What you really need is to learn how to learn: then you can learn how to hunt when fishing doesn't work any more, or to farm when the game animals are all gone. You might even be able to learn how to program.
Re: Guy Steele: Growing a Language (video 53:30)
#13It would be fun use hebrew this way, in a talk about dynamic languages including tuples.
I don't know enough to take it on though, just thinking of that numerology scene from Pi.
Re: Guy Steele: Growing a Language (video 53:30)
#14Guy Steele and Dick Gabriel gave a talk at HOPL a few years back. Another great talk. It lacked the insight of this one, but purely a joy... CS poetry. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find the talk online anywhere.
Re: Guy Steele: Growing a Language (video 53:30)
#15reaction; the action caused by an action While I was writing a reaction, I thought I should use only words with one syllable, and words defined in his talk. information; facts learned. realize; be aware of Other than the great information he gave, writing this reaction taught me how hard it is to write in this style, let alone talk for a hour. I also realized how much long words I use.
Action/writing/only/syllable/alone have multiple syllables, your post would not compile. Makes what he did very impressive.
Re: Guy Steele: Growing a Language (video 53:30)
#16Is anybody else seeing strange, deterministic glitches where some of the video seems to have been snipped out?
Re: Guy Steele: Growing a Language (video 53:30)
#17Guy Steele and Dick Gabriel gave a talk at HOPL a few years back. Another great talk. It lacked the insight of this one, but purely a joy... CS poetry. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find the talk online anywhere.
Was it this one, perhaps? Or something similar?
http://blog.jaoo.dk/2008/11/21/art-and-code-obscure-or-beaut...
Re: Guy Steele: Growing a Language (video 53:30)
#18Guy Steele and Dick Gabriel gave a talk at HOPL a few years back. Another great talk. It lacked the insight of this one, but purely a joy... CS poetry. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find the talk online anywhere.
Was it this one, perhaps? Or something similar? http://blog.jaoo.dk/2008/11/21/art-and-code-obscure-or-beaut...
Indeed! Good find! You should submit it.
Re: Guy Steele: Growing a Language (video 53:30)
#19"This is the nub of what I want to say. A language design can no longer be a thing. It must be a pattern -- a pattern for growth -- a pattern for growing the pattern for defining the patterns that programmers can use for their real work and their main goal." One of the most incredible CS things I've ever taken in.
That's at time stamp ~13:18
I'm 100% in agreement, this applies not only to languages, but up and down the technology stack. We need to use datastores that support schema evolution, data objects that assume and open world and not a closed world.
Re: Guy Steele: Growing a Language (video 53:30)
#20Guy Steele and Dick Gabriel gave a talk at HOPL a few years back. Another great talk. It lacked the insight of this one, but purely a joy... CS poetry. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find the talk online anywhere.
Was it this one, perhaps? Or something similar? http://blog.jaoo.dk/2008/11/21/art-and-code-obscure-or-beaut...
This changed my life forever, if only because I got to see Guy Steele shout "More cowbell!" and dance around a handful of sigils.