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The price of a specialist skill

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Re: The price of a specialist skill

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Well, maybe it was a really good thatcher but certainly not very skilled in running thatching projects and hence is punished by the market and driven out of the business. There are several ways how he could have avoided the situation or softened its impact: 1) Spend a bit of time and energy to assess the damage first, maybe charging a small fee. Essentially, as I understand, the owner had a choice of re-thatching the…

Some valid points there. I see you've commented on his blog post too. The writer of the blog is out for the day. I dont think he was expecting so many hits to his blog!

Re: The price of a specialist skill

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Interesting story. I think you're saying it's a bad thing to treat our estimates as commitments though. I don't necessarily agree with that. I think you need to commit and just accept the fact that you won't always be accurate, but that over time you will become more accurate. Most consulting companies pad their estimates to cover this risk, but I think it's better just to bill out as high as you can. Billing out hig…

Why not just provide a reasonable estimate, with a "price assuming this goes as expected", what can go wrong and a price for fixing the various common issues encountered along the way, and a worst case scenario price?

Well I never said your estimate shouldn't be reasonable. I think you should always be reasonable and honest with people, but that's just my view.

However, in my experience, if you tell a client "This will cost you anywhere between 50k and 60k depending on what goes wrong" they will immediately assume they're paying you 60K since it's pretty easy to justify that extra 10k given your language. Regardless of whether your intentions are gold. If it happens to work for you though, then go with it ;)

This is why it's hard to get a real budget out of a new client. They assume (and often rightly so) that you're knowledge of their budget dictates your quote.

Re: The price of a specialist skill

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Well, maybe it was a really good thatcher but certainly not very skilled in running thatching projects and hence is punished by the market and driven out of the business. There are several ways how he could have avoided the situation or softened its impact: 1) Spend a bit of time and energy to assess the damage first, maybe charging a small fee. Essentially, as I understand, the owner had a choice of re-thatching the…

Thanks again for your comment, as you replied both here and on the blog, I'll repost my reply here:

John, thanks for your detailed reply. Sorry I could not respond sooner. I realise that my writing was imprecise in places, so I've edited the story very slightly to describe the situation better. To clarify: the thatcher in the story did actually do some investigation upfront. I've changed the wording slightly to emphasise this. The problem in general, though, is how do you know when you've done enough risk assessment? The only way to eliminate _all_ risk is to actually do the project, but that is clearly way beyond the point of diminishing returns! But doing _no_ upfront inspection is flagrantly reckless.

Also to clarify: the thatcher did in fact work on a time and materials basis. However, I only vaguely alluded to it, and I've improved the wording again. It's interesting though that you assumed it was done fixed-cost-and-scope - I suspect that is the default situation people assume.

I'm interested by your suggestion of using professional indemnity insurance - how would the thatcher have used this? Can it be done in a win-win, none-confrontational way?

Finally, while I've included enough detail to describe a "full" project, the problem I wanted to emphasise was how (given both parties realise they are partially through a project of questionable value for either side) do they to resolve it in a mutually satisfactory way?

No matter how experienced the thatcher, or how carefully he manages the risk, there will always be a project lurking out there he had no way to prepare for. Improving at your job means being caught out by more difficult problems, as the easy ones you handle almost intuitively.

Re: The price of a specialist skill

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not just provide a reasonable estimate, with a "price assuming this goes as expected", what can go wrong and a price for fixing the various common issues encountered along the way, and a worst case scenario price?

Well I never said your estimate shouldn't be reasonable. I think you should always be reasonable and honest with people, but that's just my view. However, in my experience, if you tell a client "This will cost you anywhere between 50k and 60k depending on what goes wrong" they will immediately assume they're paying you 60K since it's pretty easy to justify that extra 10k given your language. Regardless of whether you…

Thanks for the replies both. Yes, this is one of the issues I have found: honesty over the risk in a project can make you look more expensive if you don't explain it carefully. This is especially true in a young relationship, when the client has not yet build up trust in the supplier.

Fortunately, I have found once clients are used to regular progress, they're more accepting of variation, and willing to accept estimates based on real statistics.

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