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I'm surprised they don't implement particular forms of shadow banning, such as degrading connections and causing dropouts for particular accounts. That'd be much harder to prove than account termination. Frustrate instead of infuriate, like aspects of the GFW.
I feel like they would get caught and China doesn't want "just bother these people"....
> The company said it would no longer block accounts outside of mainland China at Beijing's request, but did not say outright how it would handle such requests that affect users within mainland China. Instead, Zoom said, it would develop technology to block users based on geography. Funny how these kind of statements are thrown around wherever something is blown up about Zoom. I'm one of those who had goodwill on Zoo…
It's the Facebook playbook of doing something illegal/immoral, getting caught, saying 'gee sorry, that was an accident', then doing it all over again.
Does anyone know if Zoom is built on any open source video streaming tech? I’m have a hard time believing their product isn’t going to meet massive amounts of competition very soon. Edit: After some Googling - https://webrtchacks.com/zoom-avoids-using-webrtc/
This kind of rationalization isn’t just a problem with Zoom, Apple does the same thing - blocking podcasts and other apps in the Chinese market (also the Taiwan flag emoji).
This is wrong.
What’s legal and what’s right are not the same thing, Zoom’s PR about the promotion of an “open exchange of ideas” is nonsense and both Zoom and the CCP know it.
Companies that work to suppress the rights of citizens are complicit in that suppression and its legality is irrelevant.
When Zoom is requested to send over names and videos of political dissidents to authoritarian leaders will they comply?
I’m sure those killed will be pleased to know Zoom was operating within the legal framework of their country.
Legality should be the bare minimum standard - and in countries with bad laws (Middle East, China) it shouldn’t even be that.
Maybe they thought they could get away with it and things would blow over?
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23484028
Speculation: Chinese zoom users were required to switch to Chinese version of Zoom last September. There were probably mainland users using international version + VPN to participate in the event, probably some sort of local regulation that prevents users in CN from interacting with international meets, especially on no-no subjects. From 2nd link below:
>>Intensifying international tensions and the country’s upcoming 70th anniversary are cited as reasons for the block, according to Chinese media.
Some old articles:
Zoom suspends Chinese individuals users from hosting meetings due to ‘regulatory demand’ https://technode.com/2020/05/15/zoom-suspends-chinese-indivi...
China’s Zoom users switch to local version after blockage https://technode.com/2019/09/19/chinas-zoom-users-switch-to-...
China blocks US video-conferencing tool Zoom https://technode.com/2019/09/09/china-blocks-us-video-confer...
And another thing is that it has totally set off Chinese government. On one side, they are very unhappy that this completely works around the very much intended action to shut up their opposition's voice abroad, but on other side this precludes further action China can do while still formally claiming it follows legal process, and not claiming extraterritorial jurisdiction explicitly.
This is why they pushed out such de-jure compliant, but not de-facto incompliant Western companies with equally silly, passive aggressive tactics, like closing companies offices for months on end under pretext of fire safety violations.
“The reality is Zoom operates in more than 80 countries and continues to expand, which requires compliance with local laws even as Zoom seeks to promote the open exchange of ideas.“ This kind of rationalization isn’t just a problem with Zoom, Apple does the same thing - blocking podcasts and other apps in the Chinese market (also the Taiwan flag emoji). This is wrong. What’s legal and what’s right are not the same th…
what can you expect, just use open source
Does anyone know if Zoom is built on any open source video streaming tech? I’m have a hard time believing their product isn’t going to meet massive amounts of competition very soon. Edit: After some Googling - https://webrtchacks.com/zoom-avoids-using-webrtc/
“The reality is Zoom operates in more than 80 countries and continues to expand, which requires compliance with local laws even as Zoom seeks to promote the open exchange of ideas.“ This kind of rationalization isn’t just a problem with Zoom, Apple does the same thing - blocking podcasts and other apps in the Chinese market (also the Taiwan flag emoji). This is wrong. What’s legal and what’s right are not the same th…
Like, I think companies should take a stand and both aren't acceptable, but Zoom takes new, additional steps here.