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Opinion: Open-source should stay away from all kinds of politics

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Re: Opinion: Open-source should stay away from all kinds of politics

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Why is this not flagged? No need to read after “support for democratic party initiatives like BLM” to get the idea. Is HN becoming a conspiracy theories subreddit?

Hope this person rereads his BS piece and feel ashamed and appalled by his profound stupidity as we are reading it.

Re: Opinion: Open-source should stay away from all kinds of politics

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The user could be China's secret service. The Pentagon with a new mind control hack. You can't be apolitical, sorry. You have to stand for somethind and Open Source stands for equal access rights. Yes you can have no opinion in other matters excepting "equal access rights" but it's getting harder and harder to do so.

Re: Opinion: Open-source should stay away from all kinds of politics

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I'd rephrase that as 'free software should not do any politics which goes outside of the specific issues which it was created to influence', i.e. issues around copyright law, freedom of expression and related areas. Software licences should be free of politics other than those mentioned areas, both to avoid weakening the licence as well as to avoid fractioning the free software landscape into political factions. Free software developers are of course free to do politics but it should be made clear that any political expression outside the mentioned areas is done on a personal note and does not represent the project - something which can be hard to do for 1-person projects.

Re: Opinion: Open-source should stay away from all kinds of politics

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Anyone who claims that Black Lives Matter is a Democratic party initiative and uses "SJW" unironically should not be taken seriously.

While I agree on the BLM issue I do not see an issue in the use of the term 'SJW' given that the term does describe an actual phenomenon which is found in the Oxford dictionary. You might not agree with the interpretation - while it initially was used as a badge of honour by people who described themselves as such the term has taken on a more negative connotation in the last years - but that does not preclude others from using it nor does it imply that those people should not be taken seriously. Debate them on the merit of their position instead, either you or they may be enlightened.

Re: Opinion: Open-source should stay away from all kinds of politics

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Hoping this is satire or somer sort of joke....but otherwise, Popular open source developers are using their platforms to advocate against oppression. This should be encouraged, not discourage - regardless of what your political leanings are. Would you be just as upset if they wrote #AllLivesMatter? Probably not. This post is using open source as a thinly veiled guise to rant about "SJW"s (the use of that term alone…

> open source developers are using their platforms to advocate against oppression. This should be encouraged, not discourage - regardless of what your political leanings are.

What one person calls 'oppression' is another person's freedom. A drug-free society/the 'war on drugs' versus freedom of choice. Second amendment activists versus gun control. Freedom of expression versus various laws which either forbid or mandate the use of certain types of expression.

Re: Opinion: Open-source should stay away from all kinds of politics

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Hoping this is satire or somer sort of joke....but otherwise, Popular open source developers are using their platforms to advocate against oppression. This should be encouraged, not discourage - regardless of what your political leanings are. Would you be just as upset if they wrote #AllLivesMatter? Probably not. This post is using open source as a thinly veiled guise to rant about "SJW"s (the use of that term alone…

> open source developers are using their platforms to advocate against oppression. This should be encouraged, not discourage - regardless of what your political leanings are. What one person calls 'oppression' is another person's freedom. A drug-free society/the 'war on drugs' versus freedom of choice. Second amendment activists versus gun control. Freedom of expression versus various laws which either forbid or mand…

So in this case “Getting killed by a cop in the street” vs “freedom for the police to murder people in cold blood “?

Re: Opinion: Open-source should stay away from all kinds of politics

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post #3

Look no further than Webpack shutting down their website and documentation then angrily dismissing POCs who are concerned they can't do their jobs. [1] In the same light, they shut down all of the incredibly respectful criticism they received, mostly centered around not having the website accessible after dismissing the message. [2] [1] https://github.com/webpack/webpack.js.org/issues/3765 [2] https://github.com/webp…

When a company provides a service I expect them to continue doing so unless there's a case of "force majeure".

By all means support whatever causes you believe in, write a blog post, donate to the cause and (most importantly - which is what a lot of companies conveniently omit in the case of BLM) fix your own internal issues related to that cause.

But if you're going to degrade the service you promised to provide as some sort of "support" it is just bullshit virtue-signaling and it is actively hurting people including those that are part of the cause you're supporting.

This is an open-source project so there's no liability or warranty attached to it and we have no right to expect anything, but nevertheless I will definitely keep this in mind next time I have to pick a technology or library and will make sure to evaluate them not only on their technical merits but also on their propensity to such bullshit.

Re: Opinion: Open-source should stay away from all kinds of politics

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post #3

Look no further than Webpack shutting down their website and documentation then angrily dismissing POCs who are concerned they can't do their jobs. [1] In the same light, they shut down all of the incredibly respectful criticism they received, mostly centered around not having the website accessible after dismissing the message. [2] [1] https://github.com/webpack/webpack.js.org/issues/3765 [2] https://github.com/webp…

When a company provides a service I expect them to continue doing so unless there's a case of "force majeure". By all means support whatever causes you believe in, write a blog post, donate to the cause and (most importantly - which is what a lot of companies conveniently omit in the case of BLM) fix your own internal issues related to that cause. But if you're going to degrade the service you promised to provide as…

Exactly, they have no obligation to keep the docs and website accessible but are they really winning people over or bringing more awareness to this issue by preventing you from working?

It's obvious even they know their actions can't stand up to basic scrutiny, hence the immediate locking of the threads and even suspension of someone for daring to have the opinion that they shouldn't be doing it.

A dismissable banner for the cause that doesn't screw your users? Far less objectionable. It's baffling they went down that route, and it's emblematic of ideology clouding judgement.

Re: Opinion: Open-source should stay away from all kinds of politics

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Hoping this is satire or somer sort of joke....but otherwise, Popular open source developers are using their platforms to advocate against oppression. This should be encouraged, not discourage - regardless of what your political leanings are. Would you be just as upset if they wrote #AllLivesMatter? Probably not. This post is using open source as a thinly veiled guise to rant about "SJW"s (the use of that term alone…

I have personally been denounced on social media for asking the question:

"How is 'all lives matter' divisive in any way?"

The response was "Oh, well, you know."

No, really, I don't. "All" seems like an inclusive quantifier.

The best understanding I can reach is that many of the arguments in circulation these days are NOT rational in nature.

Re: Opinion: Open-source should stay away from all kinds of politics

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post #6

Free software is decidedly a political movement. "open source" started in the 1990s, not as "an attempt to escape the clutches of proprietary and monopolistic companies like Microsoft and Apple" but as a way to make the source code part of the free software movement more palatable in proprietary and monopolistic companies like Microsoft and Apple. And the GNU project started in 1983, before Microsoft or Apple had any…

I think a lot of people read "political" as a synonym of "Partisan" and use that as a filter (or maybe excuse?) to not engage meaningfully with the content of the discussion.

Any activity related to changing or reinforcing the balance of power in a society is a political action as is any effort to prevent injustice. Free software is a movement to give more power to users and so is, by definition, a political movement

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