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1/4 Covid Deaths Are in Nursing Homes

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This actually sounds low, from the other sources I was seeing. At one point, I could have sworn it was about half. At any rate, this is shocking in how skewed it is. Not clear what the takeaway is. That we need a better story for an immunity later between at risk groups? I'm still not sure, either, how this squares with the current mask story. Nursing homes bad at cleaning and isolation of sick individuals? Feels off…

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The United States needs to take a long, hard look at the current culture of dumping the elderly into a nursing home. From what I understand, there are many cultures that instead take in the elderly into their own homes or try to keep them in their own home. I remember reading a good book on the subject, _Being Mortal_ by Dr. Gawande, a few years back. It was an eye-opener to the realities of how we treat end-of-life…

I'm not sure this is feasable. Assuming a family where both adults work it doesn't really seem possiblee to handle this. In the worst case you will have 4 elderly people to handle. You also have to take into account that modern medicine extends the time these elderly people need care significantly.

Re: 1/4 Covid Deaths Are in Nursing Homes

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The United States needs to take a long, hard look at the current culture of dumping the elderly into a nursing home. From what I understand, there are many cultures that instead take in the elderly into their own homes or try to keep them in their own home. I remember reading a good book on the subject, _Being Mortal_ by Dr. Gawande, a few years back. It was an eye-opener to the realities of how we treat end-of-life…

So you are saying i have to take care of my parents?

Why?

Re: 1/4 Covid Deaths Are in Nursing Homes

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post #8

This actually sounds low, from the other sources I was seeing. At one point, I could have sworn it was about half. At any rate, this is shocking in how skewed it is. Not clear what the takeaway is. That we need a better story for an immunity later between at risk groups? I'm still not sure, either, how this squares with the current mask story. Nursing homes bad at cleaning and isolation of sick individuals? Feels off…

I think it's close to around 44% by recent numbers.

However, NY recently revised how they are counting these deaths, and they now count them in a way where if the nursing home resident is transferred to the hospital, they are generally not counted as a nursing home death. Up until very recently, they were counting that as a nursing home death the same as every other state in the union.

They've been the only state to make such changes so far, but the governor did make a deal with the nursing homes to limit their liability during this situation as well so this is pretty much par for the course here.

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I don't think nursing homes are as terrible as they're made out to be, at least not as a general concept. The issue, in my view, is much like the issue with private prisons - you have a highly vulnerable population with little recourse against the people in charge, because those people have so much control over residents' lives. There should be much greater regulation along with frequent inspections and a mandate tha…

There already is "greater regulation"..

In fact in NY the nursing homes themselves pleaded with the governor to not force the return of these COVID positive individuals back to the nursing homes. The governor of NY actually scrubbed his order from the state website sending these infected patients from hospitals back to nursing homes and assisted living facilities.

You can use whatever asinine ideas You like to protect your stance on big government. Not enough government wasn't the problem here, the government was essentially sending smallpox blankets into these at risk communities. If those people voted blue or were one of the protected classes, the access media would be all over this.

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