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Re: A 1969 Experiment in a Locked Room Changed Art History

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Post by renewiltord »

roelschroeven wrote: post #2

Excerpt from the title: > A 1969 Experiment in a Locked Room Changed Art History And some quotes from the article: > The project doesn’t have much of a legacy > [...] it may well have inspired shifts in art education and art-making. > It’s unlikely that Locked Room had an impact on larger shifts in art education Well what is it? Did the experiment have any lasting influence, or did it not? The article is all over the…

You guys ever realize this stuff just skips you by? I had to re-read the article headline to see it said that. If you were to have asked me to summarize the article I would not have been able to describe any confusion around this and would have described it as straightforwardly non-influential. But how? Have we co-evolved alongside weird headlines to just shove that into the /dev/null of our memory? So that when we see text that's interpreted as filler we just instantly discard it?

For instance, just trying out a quick recollection of the thing from memory, I have:

"Teachers, upset with fixed pedagogy, decided to run a performance art project on students which they called the Locked Room. Students would show up to class at 1000 and leave at 1630, allowed to leave only for tools. The content of the room would be varied and sometimes students would show up only to find their stuff moved around. Some students didn't like this, and some remember it as having been a bonding experience. Eventually that class was split into streams with one being traditional, something that a filmmaker called Tony Hill took. It overall didn't have much impact. They did have outdoor sections, one of which had students blindfolded or something."

Reminds me of a comment on HN which I saw where someone said "If I were to start a class on X I would first tell students 'X is the most important thing you will learn'" and my first thought was that students would instantly /dev/null that because it's like a telomere for knowledge. A signal that information is about to follow but that the signal itself is not meant to be recorded. So no student would conclude that X was the most important thing they would learn. But all students would have exited alternate thoughtstreams and the length of that sentence gives them time to sync to the lecturer.

I'm sure linguists have some obvious term for these header/footer bookends. Sometimes you get a long article in The Atlantic and it's almost all header/footer and you suddenly notice but otherwise you just bite through the bun to the meat without even noticing.

Re: A 1969 Experiment in a Locked Room Changed Art History

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Post by twic »

renewiltord wrote: post #11
roelschroeven wrote: post #2

Excerpt from the title: > A 1969 Experiment in a Locked Room Changed Art History And some quotes from the article: > The project doesn’t have much of a legacy > [...] it may well have inspired shifts in art education and art-making. > It’s unlikely that Locked Room had an impact on larger shifts in art education Well what is it? Did the experiment have any lasting influence, or did it not? The article is all over the…

You guys ever realize this stuff just skips you by? I had to re-read the article headline to see it said that. If you were to have asked me to summarize the article I would not have been able to describe any confusion around this and would have described it as straightforwardly non-influential. But how? Have we co-evolved alongside weird headlines to just shove that into the /dev/null of our memory? So that when we s…

The term "phatic" is somewhere in the neighborhood of what you're talking about, I think.

Re: A 1969 Experiment in a Locked Room Changed Art History

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Post by deanmen »

_ZeD_ wrote: post #7
dvh wrote: post #3

In 97 I was studying in the 2nd year of electrical engineering high school. Every year we had to spend one week in internship at some company. I was with 2 other classmates in some company that did ISDN networks. On the very first morning boss brought notebook with 10 minute PowerPoint presentation on ISDN, told us to watch it and left. We watched it in 10 minutes and waited. He returned 8 hours later and asked us wh…

what?

He got kicked out of the building where he was doing his internship for changing the screensaver on the computer they were using to watch the training session.

electrical engineering high school might mean the German "Hochschule", so college or university.

Re: A 1969 Experiment in a Locked Room Changed Art History

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Post by renewiltord »

twic wrote: post #12
renewiltord wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You guys ever realize this stuff just skips you by? I had to re-read the article headline to see it said that. If you were to have asked me to summarize the article I would not have been able to describe any confusion around this and would have described it as straightforwardly non-influential. But how? Have we co-evolved alongside weird headlines to just shove that into the /dev/null of our memory? So that when we s…

The term "phatic" is somewhere in the neighborhood of what you're talking about, I think.

Thanks, that's useful.

Re: A 1969 Experiment in a Locked Room Changed Art History

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Post by gwern »

roelschroeven wrote: post #2

Excerpt from the title: > A 1969 Experiment in a Locked Room Changed Art History And some quotes from the article: > The project doesn’t have much of a legacy > [...] it may well have inspired shifts in art education and art-making. > It’s unlikely that Locked Room had an impact on larger shifts in art education Well what is it? Did the experiment have any lasting influence, or did it not? The article is all over the…

And of course it hardly explains what they did. If you lock up a bunch of art students for 8 hours a day for years, surely they do something. (Like glue Pixie cups to their faces, judging by the photo.)

Re: A 1969 Experiment in a Locked Room Changed Art History

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Post by sbierwagen »

renewiltord wrote: post #11
roelschroeven wrote: post #2

Excerpt from the title: > A 1969 Experiment in a Locked Room Changed Art History And some quotes from the article: > The project doesn’t have much of a legacy > [...] it may well have inspired shifts in art education and art-making. > It’s unlikely that Locked Room had an impact on larger shifts in art education Well what is it? Did the experiment have any lasting influence, or did it not? The article is all over the…

You guys ever realize this stuff just skips you by? I had to re-read the article headline to see it said that. If you were to have asked me to summarize the article I would not have been able to describe any confusion around this and would have described it as straightforwardly non-influential. But how? Have we co-evolved alongside weird headlines to just shove that into the /dev/null of our memory? So that when we s…

http://www.paulgraham.com/know.html

>I've read Villehardouin's chronicle of the Fourth Crusade at least two times, maybe three. And yet if I had to write down everything I remember from it, I doubt it would amount to much more than a page. Multiply this times several hundred, and I get an uneasy feeling when I look at my bookshelves. What use is it to read all these books if I remember so little from them?

>[...]

>But how had I come to believe in this idea in the first place? A combination of my own experience and other things I'd read. None of which I could at that moment remember! And eventually I'd forget that Hilbert had confirmed it too. But my increased belief in the importance of this idea would remain something I'd learned from this book, even after I'd forgotten I'd learned it.

A somewhat more 2020 way of looking at it is to consider NN training. A image classifier might ingest tens of gigabytes of input to produce a model megabytes in size. Reading any given article, though it be thousands of words in length, containing much "information", will only nudge the strength of a couple of connections in your existing neural net. And if you're lucky, commit a single fact to long term memory.

Re: A 1969 Experiment in a Locked Room Changed Art History

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Post by renewiltord »

sbierwagen wrote: post #16
renewiltord wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You guys ever realize this stuff just skips you by? I had to re-read the article headline to see it said that. If you were to have asked me to summarize the article I would not have been able to describe any confusion around this and would have described it as straightforwardly non-influential. But how? Have we co-evolved alongside weird headlines to just shove that into the /dev/null of our memory? So that when we s…

http://www.paulgraham.com/know.html >I've read Villehardouin's chronicle of the Fourth Crusade at least two times, maybe three. And yet if I had to write down everything I remember from it, I doubt it would amount to much more than a page. Multiply this times several hundred, and I get an uneasy feeling when I look at my bookshelves. What use is it to read all these books if I remember so little from them? >[...] >Bu…

That's a pretty good point. Thank you. Something I think about often is how wrong data still adjusts the weights and moves your position disproportionate to its true likelihood.

Re: A 1969 Experiment in a Locked Room Changed Art History

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Post by dvh »

deanmen wrote: post #13
_ZeD_ wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what?

He got kicked out of the building where he was doing his internship for changing the screensaver on the computer they were using to watch the training session. electrical engineering high school might mean the German "Hochschule", so college or university.

It was not University but high school (15-18yo). In Slovakia we have gymnasiums (for students who want to go to university), trade schools (plumbing, machining, cooking, etc) and then also high schools with specializations (e.g. electronics, accounting, transportation), we were drilling Kirchoff since day 1.
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