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AT&T will cap DSL and U-Verse internet, impose overage fees

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Re: AT&T will cap DSL and U-Verse internet, impose overage fees

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I love the paper-thin justification here the most. "We have to do this because people don't want to pay for bandwidth they don't use!" OK, where's my $10 a month refund for every 50 GB I go under the limit?

In theory, what you'll get is faster transfer rates for the data you do use.

In theory...

Re: AT&T will cap DSL and U-Verse internet, impose overage fees

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If this isn't simply a way to generate more cash while still appearing price competitive to the newcomer, why not implement soft caps?

I anticipate many technically disinclined people receiving very large bills as a result of running an open wireless network.

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The idea that 2% of users using 20% of the bandwidth is hurting "normal" people is a PR move that is going to do great harm to future innovation. The way I see it those 2% of users are early adopters and a couple of years from now "normal people" will be using as much bandwidth as the current 2% does. Limiting bandwidth now hurts future innovation.

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I think instead of being able to advertise "up to" speeds, ISPs should have to advertise the overall average speed you can use in a month taking into account usage caps. 150GB/month works out to .47MBit/sec sustained throughput. If AT&T had to advertise that rate instead of 6Mbit for DSL lines, they'd think twice about caps. UVerse is even worse--~1Mbit/sec instead of 24.

That said, burst speed is what matters if you are streaming or doing something else that is similar. The typical user has no need for sustained output unless they are torrenting things, being used as a supernode for skype, ect. I do like the idea though.

It depends on what is meant by "burst". With a 250GB cap, you can use your 24Mbit UVerse "burst" speed 3.2% of the time.

I don't think it's unreasonable to look at something that is true 3% of the time and call it an unfair claim.

Re: AT&T will cap DSL and U-Verse internet, impose overage fees

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I feel like this is less about ability to handle the 2% who go over the bandwidth limit and more a means to fight piracy. I would assume the 2% who go over 150/250gb/month are people sharing large amounts of media (sure people like me download tons of legal soundboard recordings from bands, etc, but probably not the majority of that 2%). By capping the bandwidth, they can effectively cripple the ability for some to s…

This isn't just piracy, it is IP video streaming, it is roughly 1GB per hour for HD content. For somebody single, 150-250GB/month is plenty, for a house of 4 if everyone watches Netflix, Hulu, etc.. it isn't hard to use that up.

This is about revenue protection for their U-Verse TV business. They want to control the share of wallet and they'll use the tools they have available to do that. They don't want to become "just a pipe" where you go Internet only and then pay your TV content dollars to Hulu, etc...

Re: AT&T will cap DSL and U-Verse internet, impose overage fees

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My calculator tells me that, with my low-end DSL connection, I could eat that up in about 10 1/2 days. That's not too bad of a limit, but I do worry about what precedence it helps set. When I signed up, they were very clear about saying that it was unlimited*.

Re: AT&T will cap DSL and U-Verse internet, impose overage fees

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The idea that 2% of users using 20% of the bandwidth is hurting "normal" people is a PR move that is going to do great harm to future innovation. The way I see it those 2% of users are early adopters and a couple of years from now "normal people" will be using as much bandwidth as the current 2% does. Limiting bandwidth now hurts future innovation.

Isn't it a bit disingenuous to suppose that we don't know exactly what those 2% are doing?

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post #17

The idea that 2% of users using 20% of the bandwidth is hurting "normal" people is a PR move that is going to do great harm to future innovation. The way I see it those 2% of users are early adopters and a couple of years from now "normal people" will be using as much bandwidth as the current 2% does. Limiting bandwidth now hurts future innovation.

Isn't it a bit disingenuous to suppose that we don't know exactly what those 2% are doing?

Just because people are downloading a ton of illegal content right now doesn't mean 5 years from now the average person won't be downloading it legally. This is how progress is made.

Re: AT&T will cap DSL and U-Verse internet, impose overage fees

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We are having big shifts to content distribution over the internet with things like itunes, netflix, Amazon streaming movies, Apple TV, Skype, video chat, games, and software. Comcast (xfinity) and AT&T are going to do their best to cripple the internet to protect their other sources of revenue.

I recently moved to Seattle and had no choice but to sign up with Comcast. I wanted to have streaming video of NHK Japan coverage open while I'm doing things around the house. I'm to worried about eating into my monthly limit to do so.

Re: AT&T will cap DSL and U-Verse internet, impose overage fees

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I feel like this is less about ability to handle the 2% who go over the bandwidth limit and more a means to fight piracy. I would assume the 2% who go over 150/250gb/month are people sharing large amounts of media (sure people like me download tons of legal soundboard recordings from bands, etc, but probably not the majority of that 2%). By capping the bandwidth, they can effectively cripple the ability for some to s…

I think it's more about making things more difficult for services like Netflix and Hulu as well as extracting some extra revenue from their top users who don't have any other choice for internet service.

Good point... I hadn't even considered IPTV and streaming services for some reason. It definitely looks like a move to protect revenue when people may be switching off services like U-Verse TV.
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