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Ohio Prison Death Updates [pdf]

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Re: Ohio Prison Death Updates [pdf]

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Just as an extra wrench in the works, an unknown number of prisoners have been released or transferred, probably after being deemed higher risk: https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/regulation/court-ba...

So death rates may still be reduced by interventions. Take care, arm chair statisticians.

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30 of the deaths are at PCI, which is basically a nursing home for older prisoners. EDIT: “Marion houses a high number of older individuals, many who have pre-existing health conditions. Pickaway houses our long-term-care center similar to a nursing home, and Franklin is our state prison medical center.” Marion is 25% of the deaths. Pickaway 59%. And Franklin 10%.

Then for the general population below whatever that age is (maybe 65?), you'd get roughly `(51-30)/4449 ≈ 0.47% FR` (non-PCI deaths/total positive). It's a bit unclear as it seems the numbers are changing as test results arrive. For the PCI cohort: 30/1258 ≈ 2.38% (deaths/recovered).

The 0.47% FR would seem much more plausible given the spread of the virus and the number of asymptomatic cases that appear to exist from serological testing.

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17 days ago we heard that 3,330 inmates tested positive, 96% without symptoms. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22980932 There was much speculation, but many people agreed that in 2 weeks we would have super interesting data. It's been 17 days. We have an update from ohio.gov that tested individuals climbed to 7536, 4439 are positive (59%), total 49 deaths (.01) Not an epidemiologist. Does this data fit the Diamo…

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Re: Ohio Prison Death Updates [pdf]

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17 days ago we heard that 3,330 inmates tested positive, 96% without symptoms. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22980932 There was much speculation, but many people agreed that in 2 weeks we would have super interesting data. It's been 17 days. We have an update from ohio.gov that tested individuals climbed to 7536, 4439 are positive (59%), total 49 deaths (.01) Not an epidemiologist. Does this data fit the Diamo…

I’ve been thinking about the asymptotic cases in situations like this and the Roosevelt. I think if folks are monitored very closely for symptoms we might learn more about how it impacts people and what percentage of cases stay asymptotic.

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I can't see the document, but when a similar story recently popped up on here the average age of prisoners was 38.

fwiw.

edit: the previous story https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22941493

age stats: https://www.cleveland.com/news/erry-2018/08/84f4aab48f389/oh...

(the underlying source is not accessible to me either at the moment)

Re: Ohio Prison Death Updates [pdf]

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Just as an extra wrench in the works, an unknown number of prisoners have been released or transferred, probably after being deemed higher risk: https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/regulation/court-ba... So death rates may still be reduced by interventions. Take care, arm chair statisticians.

> Take care, arm chair statisticians

FWIW, during this whole process, people reasonably described as “arm chair statisticians” have been putting out higher-quality and more accurate statistical analysis than any public-facing government or media source. The only high-quality analysis I’ve seen has been from “amateurs” (I.e. not employed by institutional sources of narrative information) and expensive subscription-only financial analysis services.

Re: Ohio Prison Death Updates [pdf]

#17

Just as an extra wrench in the works, an unknown number of prisoners have been released or transferred, probably after being deemed higher risk: https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/regulation/court-ba... So death rates may still be reduced by interventions. Take care, arm chair statisticians.

Can you please not spread the web cancer which is AMP?

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/494266-judge-sa...

Re: Ohio Prison Death Updates [pdf]

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Just as an extra wrench in the works, an unknown number of prisoners have been released or transferred, probably after being deemed higher risk: https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/regulation/court-ba... So death rates may still be reduced by interventions. Take care, arm chair statisticians.

> Take care, arm chair statisticians FWIW, during this whole process, people reasonably described as “arm chair statisticians” have been putting out higher-quality and more accurate statistical analysis than any public-facing government or media source. The only high-quality analysis I’ve seen has been from “amateurs” (I.e. not employed by institutional sources of narrative information) and expensive subscription-onl…

eh lots of people could tell ihme model was wrong/doing inappropriate curve fitting, but los alamos model for example seems pretty good to me, as an armchair statistician.

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Just as an extra wrench in the works, an unknown number of prisoners have been released or transferred, probably after being deemed higher risk: https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/regulation/court-ba... So death rates may still be reduced by interventions. Take care, arm chair statisticians.

> Take care, arm chair statisticians FWIW, during this whole process, people reasonably described as “arm chair statisticians” have been putting out higher-quality and more accurate statistical analysis than any public-facing government or media source. The only high-quality analysis I’ve seen has been from “amateurs” (I.e. not employed by institutional sources of narrative information) and expensive subscription-onl…

What is the size of the population of amateurs and what is the size of the population of experts? I am guessing the former is a lot bigger than the latter meaning more outcomes to pick from when retroactively trying to assign credit for accuracy.

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It’s an interesting question: how do you figure out whether these numbers are good or bad? Ohio has a prison population of about 44,000. So these numbers (actual plus probable) represent a death rate of 120 per 100,000. That’s ten times the death rate in Ohio as a whole. But it’s about half the death rate of NYC (actual plus probable). What’s the correct reference point? NYC seems like a reasonable reference, given that prison is an inherently high density living situation.
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