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Against the backdrop of the crisis, the surveillance state is set to expand

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Re: Against the backdrop of the crisis, the surveillance state is set to expand

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Post by bamboozled »

gentleman11 wrote: post #4

Why stop with monitoring people’s online activities? Why not require always on microphones, cameras, and location tracking on our phones/baby monitors/alexas? Future history books won’t talk about the death of human freedom in the late 21st century because such books will be censored by future governments that have a million times more power to control their populations than was historically the case.

The thing is, what happens then ?

What do these people in power do all day ? Sounds like it would be a rather drab situation no ?

Re: Against the backdrop of the crisis, the surveillance state is set to expand

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Post by syshum »

ciarannolan wrote: post #3

What's the end game for the current administration's corrupting of American institutions, one-by-one? The Justice Department and the FBI were once beacons for the world to model their own justice systems after. Independent, transparent, hard-driving. Now they're politicized and demonized as some "dEeP sTatE" apparatus that's out to get Trump and his cronies.

You have a Rose colored view of history if you believe the Trump administration is the first and only Administration to use the "Justice" dept or FBI for their political ends

In fact I would be hard pressed to find a single administration that has not used them as a political tool

I am glad to see people are finally waking up to the dangers of a large central government, but I am dishearten that people believe that Trump is uniquely corrupt, and that if we just replace Trump with a democrat everything will be a-ok

Re: Against the backdrop of the crisis, the surveillance state is set to expand

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Post by catalogia »

bamboozled wrote: post #11
gentleman11 wrote: post #4

Why stop with monitoring people’s online activities? Why not require always on microphones, cameras, and location tracking on our phones/baby monitors/alexas? Future history books won’t talk about the death of human freedom in the late 21st century because such books will be censored by future governments that have a million times more power to control their populations than was historically the case.

The thing is, what happens then ? What do these people in power do all day ? Sounds like it would be a rather drab situation no ?

> What do these people in power do all day ?

Anything they want to. Who would stop them?

Re: Against the backdrop of the crisis, the surveillance state is set to expand

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Post by ciarannolan »

the-dude wrote: post #9
ciarannolan wrote: post #3

What's the end game for the current administration's corrupting of American institutions, one-by-one? The Justice Department and the FBI were once beacons for the world to model their own justice systems after. Independent, transparent, hard-driving. Now they're politicized and demonized as some "dEeP sTatE" apparatus that's out to get Trump and his cronies.

Well said, comrade.

Sorry, let me update my comment for HN:

I'm happy that this administration is fighting against the bezos washington post amazon hillary obama her emails cabal deep state swamp. Our commander in chief is doing his best daily to push back against the vast lib conspiracy against working people like us, comrade.

Re: Against the backdrop of the crisis, the surveillance state is set to expand

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Post by Ididntdothis »

bamboozled wrote: post #11
gentleman11 wrote: post #4

Why stop with monitoring people’s online activities? Why not require always on microphones, cameras, and location tracking on our phones/baby monitors/alexas? Future history books won’t talk about the death of human freedom in the late 21st century because such books will be censored by future governments that have a million times more power to control their populations than was historically the case.

The thing is, what happens then ? What do these people in power do all day ? Sounds like it would be a rather drab situation no ?

“What do these people in power do all day ? “

Traditionally the first thing they do is not to follow their own rules. Happened already in this crisis with politicians going to the gym or hair dresser while locking down everybody else.

Re: Against the backdrop of the crisis, the surveillance state is set to expand

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Post by Ididntdothis »

DethNinja wrote: post #2

I wonder how this will affect American tech companies, will they relocate their HQ out of USA? I guess every company operating in the USA will have to implement this, I’m thinking about regionally dividing my customer base just to leave Europeans higher amount of security with encryption but this is costly for me as well.

Massive surveillance will be a boon for the big tech companies. They already do everything they can to get as much data as possible. Even better, if it’s government sanctioned.

Re: Against the backdrop of the crisis, the surveillance state is set to expand

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Post by Ididntdothis »

uncletammy wrote: post #10

Ron Wyden for president 2024

That’s one thing I don’t get. There are a lot of very impressive people like Wyden out there but when it comes to running for president it seems the best the country can come up with is Biden or Trump. Is running for president so unpleasant that anybody halfways sane will not do this to themselves ? Or what else is going on? How could the Democrats come up with a washed up 78 year old and skip a lot of very capable younger people?

Re: Against the backdrop of the crisis, the surveillance state is set to expand

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Post by at-fates-hands »

The debate about this bill has been going on for a while now.

Riana Pfefferkorn of CIS did a lot better job objectively addressing the issues (sans the overt political cheap shots) in her article. It lays out why it may be unconstitutional on several grounds. I'd recommend reading it if you want more detail on the bill:

THE EARN IT ACT: HOW TO BAN END-TO-END ENCRYPTION WITHOUT ACTUALLY BANNING IT:

http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/blog/2020/01/earn-it-act-how-ba...

Re: Against the backdrop of the crisis, the surveillance state is set to expand

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Post by stOneskull »

Ididntdothis wrote: post #17
uncletammy wrote: post #10

Ron Wyden for president 2024

That’s one thing I don’t get. There are a lot of very impressive people like Wyden out there but when it comes to running for president it seems the best the country can come up with is Biden or Trump. Is running for president so unpleasant that anybody halfways sane will not do this to themselves ? Or what else is going on? How could the Democrats come up with a washed up 78 year old and skip a lot of very capable y…

Tulsi seemed cool. It's weird.

Re: Against the backdrop of the crisis, the surveillance state is set to expand

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Post by dylkil »

annoyingnoob wrote: post #7

We need more decentralized software, like skype was originally, where there is no tech company with access that would have to 'earn it'. Taking away our right to privacy while telling me your are saving children makes my skin crawl - I can't think of a more anti-american act.

start with mobile phones. The apps on your phone are tracking everything.
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