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German man living at Delhi airport since March 18

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Re: German man living at Delhi airport since March 18

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Post by netsharc »

mulmen wrote: post #6
IlyaMoroshkin wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He is probably still being paid social welfare by German (taxpayers). It is commonplace in Europe that terrorist suspects are on welfare whilst planning attacks.

How did we get from “a few cases of assault” to “terrorism”? The fact you use them interchangeably dilutes the meaning of both. Is what you describe of terrorist “suspects” also true of actual terrorists? This sounds like a dog whistle.

This commenter sounds like one of the people who have a chip in their shoulder about refugees, immigration in general and Muslim minorities..

Re: German man living at Delhi airport since March 18

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Post by mirimir »

Matt3o12_ wrote: post #2

> “While others were facilitated by their embassies concerned and were taken for quarantine, officials from the German embassy informed the Indian bureau of immigration that Ziebat is a wanted criminal in their country with several cases of assault and other crimes registered against him. Since he was on a foreign land, they did not take his custody." This sounds highly suspicious to me. If he is a wanted criminal, I…

Yeah, that seems odd. But then, I know zero about German law. I suppose that none of the charges against him warrant extradition, so they're cool with him remaining in India. But on the other hand, he has a criminal record, so they don't have to repatriate him.

Re: German man living at Delhi airport since March 18

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Post by Aeolun »

mirimir wrote: post #12
Matt3o12_ wrote: post #2

> “While others were facilitated by their embassies concerned and were taken for quarantine, officials from the German embassy informed the Indian bureau of immigration that Ziebat is a wanted criminal in their country with several cases of assault and other crimes registered against him. Since he was on a foreign land, they did not take his custody." This sounds highly suspicious to me. If he is a wanted criminal, I…

Yeah, that seems odd. But then, I know zero about German law. I suppose that none of the charges against him warrant extradition, so they're cool with him remaining in India. But on the other hand, he has a criminal record, so they don't have to repatriate him.

> But on the other hand, he has a criminal record, so they don't have to repatriate him.

This is what seems highly unlikely to me. I wonder what is written on this in the German media.

Re: German man living at Delhi airport since March 18

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Post by techsupporter »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #10
supernova87a wrote: post #8

You read these headline grabbing stories, also like the one about the couple stranded in Tahiti during this virus, or the original actual guy behind "The Terminal" movie -- and you usually find out that the story is almost always one of bad judgement combined with somewhat unusual circumstances that they aren't trying to avoid like a normal person would. Sometimes the news tries to make it seem like they were unwitti…

Once you get behind the eight ball for some reason, it can be impossible to get out. I don't know how to get out from behind the eight ball in my own life and I think I'm well educated, talented, virtuous and blah blah blah. It's never enough and I'm not some kind of criminal or something. You don't know the story. Maybe it was self defense. We don't have all the details. It would be nice if, during a global pandemic…

> It would be nice if, during a global pandemic, we could not sit around being all judgy going "People fucked over as a consequence of this here global pandemic were just being idiots!"

Wholeheartedly agree. Humans of all stripes seem to have this need to place blame on others' failings on the person being "at fault" yet somehow their own mishaps are "bad luck." It's like the comment threads underneath lapses in security or getting phished. "Oh well, IIiiiiii wouldn't have fallen for that," until they inevitably do.

If humans were always perfectly capable of never screwing up, the entire liability insurance market would cease to exist.

Re: German man living at Delhi airport since March 18

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Post by DoreenMichele »

techsupporter wrote: post #14
DoreenMichele wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once you get behind the eight ball for some reason, it can be impossible to get out. I don't know how to get out from behind the eight ball in my own life and I think I'm well educated, talented, virtuous and blah blah blah. It's never enough and I'm not some kind of criminal or something. You don't know the story. Maybe it was self defense. We don't have all the details. It would be nice if, during a global pandemic…

> It would be nice if, during a global pandemic, we could not sit around being all judgy going "People fucked over as a consequence of this here global pandemic were just being idiots!" Wholeheartedly agree. Humans of all stripes seem to have this need to place blame on others' failings on the person being "at fault" yet somehow their own mishaps are "bad luck." It's like the comment threads underneath lapses in secu…

If humans were always perfectly capable of never screwing up, the entire liability insurance market would cease to exist.

Oh, it gets so much worse than that. If you are the "wrong kind of person" for some reason, misfortune comes at a much higher cost than for other people. In the US, white people generally suffer lighter consequences than people of color for the same mistakes. Men are generally judged less harshly than women for various things. Etc.

So it's more like saying "You fool! You shouldn't have done X! And, also, if you had any sense, you would have been born a different color/different gender/richer...etc"

Re: German man living at Delhi airport since March 18

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Post by Tomte »

Aeolun wrote: post #13
mirimir wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, that seems odd. But then, I know zero about German law. I suppose that none of the charges against him warrant extradition, so they're cool with him remaining in India. But on the other hand, he has a criminal record, so they don't have to repatriate him.

> But on the other hand, he has a criminal record, so they don't have to repatriate him. This is what seems highly unlikely to me. I wonder what is written on this in the German media.

A short Google (News) search in German turned up nothing.

Re: German man living at Delhi airport since March 18

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Post by Ayesh »

I'm currently stranded in Vietnam (country, not inside the airport).

I imagine there are many people just like me. I happen to be quite lucky because in a country of 100 million, there are zero deaths and fewer than 300 cases, most of which are treated. Lots of things are open now and there are no strict social distancing laws anymore.

It all comes down to how much money you have saved and how long you can stretch it.

This article mentions one Sri Lankan passenger being taken home. I'm a Sri Lankan citizen although I no longer live there. Sri Lanka had its borders closed from March 22, but arranged flights to bring back citizens from situations like this. I can imagine Germany did the same.

It looks like this man just didn't want to leave. An airport with wifi, some shops, bathrooms and electricity, combined with the staff being kind enough to provide him with a recliner and amenities sounds much better than going to a place that he'd be eventually in trouble for his past crimes. If anything, the German consulate should forcefully take him if his criminal records are that severe, but it's their job and these are strange times to begin with.

Re: German man living at Delhi airport since March 18

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Post by billfruit »

Thousands if not more Indians have been stranded all over, as government suddenly closed entry to their own citizens. Even incidents like a KLM flight being not allowed to land in Delhi because it had Indians on board. Much confusing instructions from the government to airlines. Passengers from Europe were banned, but the confusing instructions meant that passengers transiting through Europe also were banned. Then seemingly without material change in situation, now the Government is allowing flights back to India.

Also these flights are being operated at full capacity, no social distancing. People have to pay for seats beforehand too, while other countries like US only requires an indemnity bond for future payment for evacuation flights.

Re: German man living at Delhi airport since March 18

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Post by gglnx »

Matt3o12_ wrote: post #2

> “While others were facilitated by their embassies concerned and were taken for quarantine, officials from the German embassy informed the Indian bureau of immigration that Ziebat is a wanted criminal in their country with several cases of assault and other crimes registered against him. Since he was on a foreign land, they did not take his custody." This sounds highly suspicious to me. If he is a wanted criminal, I…

As a German, I don't know any law that would prohibit that he could return to Germany. The embassies organized the return flights and I read about many complications and fuck-ups, maybe that's what happened. Maybe also he wasn't registered in the "Deutschenliste" (online tool that you register as a German if you travel abroad, so you can be contacted in emergencies). The German embassy in Delhi says on their website (see: https://india.diplo.de/in-de) that no more German flights are planned, but KLM has some flights, but that must be booked by yourself.
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