Xcode 4 - review • Hacker News Board

Re: Xcode 4 - review

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Post by recoiledsnake » Thu, Mar 10, 2011, 1:57 AM UTC

>I've always considered Xcode to be the nicest IDE to use in terms of user interface, though it wasn't exactly pretty. It's just the competition was so ugly and cluttered. I've often likened saying Xcode 3 was the prettiest IDE to saying that it was the nicest smelling dog crap. Xcode 4 however, genuinely is pretty. I love looking at it and admiring the amount of work that has gone into it. Apple has had some of the prettiest developer tools in terms of Interface Builder, Instruments, Quartz Composer etc for quite a while, but Xcode was dated. It now feels like the sort of user interface you'd expect from Apple.

Looking at the screenshots, I don't see how it's prettier than, say Visual Studio 2010. Maybe it's subjective? Xcode from the article:

http://fireballed.org/linked/2011/03/09/xcode-pilkington/xco...

Visual Studio:

http://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/wordpress/wp-content/u...

Re: Xcode 4 - review

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Post by d0m » Thu, Mar 10, 2011, 2:08 AM UTC

Go to the conclusion, then go to the last paragraph of the conclusion.

Re: Xcode 4 - review

#13

Post by Stormbringer » Thu, Mar 10, 2011, 2:16 AM UTC

Cococabasa wrote: post #2

Good review. Not sure if I should update before finishing the current iOS app I am working on...

Finish your app.

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When you're sipping on Pina Coladas at your mansion in the Bahamas, then you can change your toolchain. :D

Re: Xcode 4 - review

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Mar 10, 2011, 2:18 AM UTC

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Re: Xcode 4 - review

#15

Post by codex » Thu, Mar 10, 2011, 2:28 AM UTC

aaronbrethorst wrote: post #5

statictype wrote: post #3

Does this include the iOS 4.3 SDK? Or do I have to do another 3GB download in a couple of days if I download this now?

Today's Xcode 4 release definitely includes the final iOS 4.3 SDK.

Oddly enough, though, the doc sets only include iOS 4.2.

Re: Xcode 4 - review

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Post by magicofpi » Thu, Mar 10, 2011, 2:32 AM UTC

recoiledsnake wrote: post #11

>I've always considered Xcode to be the nicest IDE to use in terms of user interface, though it wasn't exactly pretty. It's just the competition was so ugly and cluttered. I've often likened saying Xcode 3 was the prettiest IDE to saying that it was the nicest smelling dog crap. Xcode 4 however, genuinely is pretty. I love looking at it and admiring the amount of work that has gone into it. Apple has had some of the…

To be fair, that's not really the whole interface, just a section of a sheet showing diffs. Here's what the whole window looks like: http://devimages.apple.com/technologies/tools/images/new_sin...

Re: Xcode 4 - review

#17

Post by delackner » Thu, Mar 10, 2011, 2:40 AM UTC

One annoyance he didn't really touch on, but that has driven me up the walls, is that [edit:thanks thought_alarm!!!!] double clicking a build error does not jump to the build results, which are now in a renamed "Logs" view.

Also, it is incredibly slow and crashes several times a day.

That said, the IB integration is amazing and the navigation between related files is so good that I am using it.

Re: Xcode 4 - review

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Post by ugh » Thu, Mar 10, 2011, 2:52 AM UTC

recoiledsnake wrote: post #11

>I've always considered Xcode to be the nicest IDE to use in terms of user interface, though it wasn't exactly pretty. It's just the competition was so ugly and cluttered. I've often likened saying Xcode 3 was the prettiest IDE to saying that it was the nicest smelling dog crap. Xcode 4 however, genuinely is pretty. I love looking at it and admiring the amount of work that has gone into it. Apple has had some of the…

Not an entirely fair comparison, is it?

Here is the equivalent new project window in Xcode: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4073000/new.png (also: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4073000/project.png)

A shot of the main window: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4073000/main.png

Re: Xcode 4 - review

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Post by jgh- » Thu, Mar 10, 2011, 3:08 AM UTC

delackner wrote: post #17

One annoyance he didn't really touch on, but that has driven me up the walls, is that [edit:thanks thought_alarm!!!!] double clicking a build error does not jump to the build results, which are now in a renamed "Logs" view. Also, it is incredibly slow and crashes several times a day. That said, the IB integration is amazing and the navigation between related files is so good that I am using it.

If you click on the "Show Log Navigator" button on the top of that sidebar [the button furthest right], it will show you build results.

Re: Xcode 4 - review

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Post by thought_alarm » Thu, Mar 10, 2011, 3:15 AM UTC

delackner wrote: post #17

One annoyance he didn't really touch on, but that has driven me up the walls, is that [edit:thanks thought_alarm!!!!] double clicking a build error does not jump to the build results, which are now in a renamed "Logs" view. Also, it is incredibly slow and crashes several times a day. That said, the IB integration is amazing and the navigation between related files is so good that I am using it.

Hit Command+7 to view the "Log Navigator", and you'll get the familiar build log and results. You can configure XCode to automatically jump the Log Navigator when a build starts; see the "Behaviors" section in the Preferences.

The Log Navigator includes a history of all your builds, debug sessions, and commits, which is kind of neat.

You can also use Command+' and Command+" to navigate back and forth between build errors or "issues".