Here's the source for one of the clients (Bombadillo): https://tildegit.org/sloum/bombadillo
Gemini – A new, collaboratively designed internet protocol
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Re: Gemini – A new, collaboratively designed internet protocol
#12I see that they've specified both a transport protocol, to replace HTTPS, and a document format, to replace HTML. BLUF: They should have just run the text/gemini format on top of HTTPS 1.1, make a gemini --> HTML formatter, and maybe a restricted subset of HTTPS, and called it a day. Replacing HTTPS is a waste of time. Also, most of the benefits of the document format could be gotten with a sane subset of HTML. There…
I've wanted to make something like this, and I'm happy to see its here because implementing a client looks like a lot of fun.
Here is why I want a simpler web: The NewYorkTimes wont be there! Neither will google or facebook or shopify or influencers or clickbait even! I want a web that is hard to make money from. Something that doesn't support fingerprinting and ad tracking, where my interests aren't at odds with the "platforms".
I want a place where people are posting ideas and creations and info and software and labors of love for free, with weird one-off communities that don't get embroiled in national censorship debates.
I might even want the relatively high barrier to entry, the fact that other people there would be looking for the same thing instead of being directed there by browser defaults and content portals.
Re: Gemini – A new, collaboratively designed internet protocol
#13This is so intensely cool.
Urbit was on its own island until recently - the only project challenging the domination of WWW.
This + Tildeverse feels like the very, very, very early days of hackers starting to play with alternate protocols, and the style and format of WWW.
It's fun, non-commercial, social, and aimed at hobbyists - just like the early WWW.
Given another 10 years of experimentation, I could 100% imagine WWW being seen as corporate, commercial and professional space.
Right now there isn't a good pseudonymous layer, because everything is very tied to real identity. Privacy doesn't really exist in a world of shadow profiles. And, with my commercial hat on, not do I want it to. I want to be able to retarget the shit out of email lists, and run intensive Facebook ad campaigns.
The needs of commercial space are not the needs of personal space. One solution could be different protocols, or at least different spaces, for each.
Re: Gemini – A new, collaboratively designed internet protocol
#14I see that they've specified both a transport protocol, to replace HTTPS, and a document format, to replace HTML. BLUF: They should have just run the text/gemini format on top of HTTPS 1.1, make a gemini --> HTML formatter, and maybe a restricted subset of HTTPS, and called it a day. Replacing HTTPS is a waste of time. Also, most of the benefits of the document format could be gotten with a sane subset of HTML. There…
> Now I feel like I owe the world a subset of HTTP and HTML to put my money where my mouth is.
There are such subsets around: the one used by Texinfo's HTML export for portability [1] and by XMPP for XHTML-IM [2], the ones supported by simpler web browsers, the ones individual developers or projects stick to. An issue with that is the differences between those subsets (along with presence of multiple ones), although they seem to have quite a bit in common: attempted accessible websites tend to be usable in basic (or restricted) web browsers, possibly about as often as random/unrestricted websites are usable in major web browsers.
[1] https://www.gnu.org/software/texinfo/manual/texinfo/texinfo....
Re: Gemini – A new, collaboratively designed internet protocol
#15Gemini is such a widely used name for systems. I wish people would stop reusing it, in place of finding new unique names.
Last time I tried to grouch that grouch someone pointed out how the the ratio of amibiguously-named projects to all projects approaches unity. Try it yourself, it's fun:
C
Go
Swift
Java
Python
Haskell (named for a guy)
Curry (also named for that guy)
Icon
Self
Lisp
...you can go on aaaaaall day...
Eiffel
Octave
Factor
Joy
Julia
R
...
Re: Gemini – A new, collaboratively designed internet protocol
#16It’s like religion - one of the reasons they say Christianity won over Judaism is because they didn’t require one to circumcise before the initiation. Yet both are equally rejecting of any other religion.
Re: Gemini – A new, collaboratively designed internet protocol
#17Having played with this now via their "kiosk" [1] it's very cool and I think there's something here. I expect only the kind of people who visit HN will ever try it and fewer will ever use it, but the protocol is very nice and simple. I wish it would take off and that a nice GUI client was written so that it was easier to use. [1]: ssh kiosk@gemini.circumlunar.space
What on earth is this kiosk thing? There's no explanation whatsoever. `help` does not do much.
Re: Gemini – A new, collaboratively designed internet protocol
#18Gemini is such a widely used name for systems. I wish people would stop reusing it, in place of finding new unique names.
of course, someone on HN has to make this ultimate bike-shed comment about a project's name.
Re: Gemini – A new, collaboratively designed internet protocol
#19It’s like religion - one of the reasons they say Christianity won over Judaism is because they didn’t require one to circumcise before the initiation. Yet both are equally rejecting of any other religion.
Judaism is also quite "racist". There is only one "chosen" people. Everyone else would be/is a second citizen. Who would join a religion to be 2nd citizen?
Re: Gemini – A new, collaboratively designed internet protocol
#20It’s like religion - one of the reasons they say Christianity won over Judaism is because they didn’t require one to circumcise before the initiation. Yet both are equally rejecting of any other religion.
Judaism is also quite "racist". There is only one "chosen" people. Everyone else would be/is a second citizen. Who would join a religion to be 2nd citizen?
I'd encourage you to actually attend a synagogue service, or even just have a chat with a real-life Jewish person, before exposing yourself to ridicule as you have here.
In my life as a Jewish person, I've never _once_ hear a rabbi even hint as such a sentiment. Converts are treated exactly as Jewish as those who are born into the faith. What leads you to think otherwise?