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A twenty-year professor on starting college this fall: Don’t

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Re: A twenty-year professor on starting college this fall: Don’t

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Arguing in the other direction, if you mainly just need the sheepskin, this might be an unusually easy time to get one.

Personally, my college experience was mainly useful for discovering that my college experience wasn't going to be very useful for me.

(Mildly interesting: The author seems to be this woman. https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2020/02/17/la-verne-seek...)

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post #5

If people follow that, colleges might decide to lower the entry requirements and the amount of students who join this year might be similar to the usual amount. Perhaps a better approach would be to plan safe working conditions instead.

If their money is green, you can bet that this will happen.

Re: A twenty-year professor on starting college this fall: Don’t

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By the time it is fall, this professor's advice will be obsolete. The death rate is already slowing down in NYC and Italy. The curve is flattened in South Korea and China, and there, many are going outside to cafes and the Han River park. San Francisco has had a grand total of 20 deaths. US is already planning to gradually reopen the economy.

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What are the practical, social negatives of this? Will in-demand schools hold a grudge on the thousands or more of students they would have liked to have in fall 2020 and skipped? "You weren't there for us in 2020 so we think you're better off elsewhere." Not that any university should behave this way; I'm asking if any quality ones would be.

No. In 2020, students entirely have the upper hand. Colleges can no longer grow and shrink their classes according to the suitability of students. Their finances are dire.

(In principle, the rich ones like Harvard could, but they won't either. Falling enrollments just wouldn't look good.)

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What are the practical, social negatives of this? Will in-demand schools hold a grudge on the thousands or more of students they would have liked to have in fall 2020 and skipped? "You weren't there for us in 2020 so we think you're better off elsewhere." Not that any university should behave this way; I'm asking if any quality ones would be.

Large bureaucracies do not have the agency to act in such a childish way.

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post #4

I generally detest the large expense of universities given the difference between what they claim to offer and the actual value. That said, the options here seem to not be any better. Get a job? Fresh out of high school kidd are going to have a hard time finding gainful employment for awhile, especially in the hardest hit areas. Volunteer for a political campaign? Meh. That isn't much of a substitute, even if it has…

Get a job? Fresh out of high school kidd are going to have a hard time finding gainful employment In software I feel a strong guild/apprenticeship program could solve this.

The open source community serves as an ad hoc application of the apprenticeship / guild concept. I have some friends who don't have college degrees but have been hired due to their demonstrable and attested technical skill in serious FOSS projects

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Get a job? Fresh out of high school kidd are going to have a hard time finding gainful employment In software I feel a strong guild/apprenticeship program could solve this.

The open source community serves as an ad hoc application of the apprenticeship / guild concept. I have some friends who don't have college degrees but have been hired due to their demonstrable and attested technical skill in serious FOSS projects

Wouldn't working on FOSS projects be closer to an internship rather than apprenticeship? Are they really being mentored and taught while working on the FOSS projects?

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As a millennial college graduate, my number one piece of advice to college bound high schoolers is do the first two years at community college. The debt is not worth the experience. Most people spend the first two years figuring stuff out, community college is a great place to do that. I didn't even know this was an option until after college and I feel failed by my high school college advisors. Unless you are very confident in what you want to do and get into a very good college you don't think you can get into again, get a full ride, or have ridiculously rich parents, go to community college. Edit: perhaps full ride is too strict a requirement. If you can save money by going to community college, taking into account lost scholarships, you should go to community college.

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post #3

I think this is a great article, however, I think a more tempered approach may be to take online courses from a community college or similar to begin working on at least some gen eds. This frees you up to do some of these other things that article suggests, while still getting credits under your belt.

It's important to note that some colleges restrict the number of credits you can take/earn during the time between high school graduation and college matriculation. My alma mater, Purdue, permits incoming freshmen to take a gap year (but not purely due to Coronavirus [0]). During that year, the would-be freshmen may not take >=12 credit hours of courses or else their admission will be rescinded and the freshmen would…

Behavior like this and the for-credit/not-for-credit distinction (for the same class!) is some rent-seeking, power-imbalance nonsense. I hope we figure out a better way.

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I'm looking at college this fall and seriously wondering about this. I'll have to spend a lot of money if I go to an "elite" school, and the point of doing that is to make connections with my peers and with professors. I don't see the point of paying that kind of money for that sort of experience. That aside, not starting college may not be a good idea, either. Does anyone with more experience have advice on this? I do have a job at a cybersecurity firm where I'm a part-time developer, and my boss would probably convert me to full-time. I've also been working on some interesting side projects to learn stuff and could continue self-teaching. Does anyone with more experience have some advice for me?
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