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Watch Zoox’s autonomous car drive around San Francisco for an hour

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Re: Watch Zoox’s autonomous car drive around San Francisco for an hour

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Relative to competitors Zoox's automous OS is doing quite well and doesn't get enough respect. Relative to the objective everybody is fucked.

Could you provide more context on the first part.

They've been keeping abreast.

The co-founder, Tim Kentley Klay was somehow able to get Jesse Levinson on board, and Jesse Levinson had no problem getting infinite street cred on board. So they were able to attract a lot of key, original robotics talent before the hype got out of control.

For a long time though, they were low on funds, so they did lots of closed course testing, and it wasn't until they closed a large funding round that Zoox began on public roads, and they performed quite well right out of the starting gate.

Now Zoox and it's competitors are lost in an endless wasteland of testing, development, and validation. It's futile to attempt to do a comprehensive analysis between the different players, they all have their quirks, but Zoox has built all the critical infrastructure needed to do full scale testing, and they're eyeballs deep in it like everyone else.

However, Zoox has stormy waters ahead financially. They need another $2 billion to stay abreast in this never ending race. It's getting harder to visualize scenarios where that happens.

What nobody can do well enough to build a competitive and scalable robotaxi service is prediction in multi-agent scenarios. The AI for that just doesn't exist.

Re: Watch Zoox’s autonomous car drive around San Francisco for an hour

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post #7

Casually starting the turn and not yielding to pedestrians at 10:21. Companies actually put this kind of footage up without ever reviewing it?

Casually starting a turn and correctly identifying that the person on the right slowed down, stopped and turned to face the other crosswalk.

You can see it on the top right camera.

Re: Watch Zoox’s autonomous car drive around San Francisco for an hour

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Casually starting the turn and not yielding to pedestrians at 10:21. Companies actually put this kind of footage up without ever reviewing it?

Are you referring to the pedestrian who's almost crossed the crosswalk on the left side of the screen? This is still a proper yield as far as I can see. The car just enters the intersection before that person has finished crossing.

Re: Watch Zoox’s autonomous car drive around San Francisco for an hour

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you provide more context on the first part.

They've been keeping abreast. The co-founder, Tim Kentley Klay was somehow able to get Jesse Levinson on board, and Jesse Levinson had no problem getting infinite street cred on board. So they were able to attract a lot of key, original robotics talent before the hype got out of control. For a long time though, they were low on funds, so they did lots of closed course testing, and it wasn't until they closed a large…

Thanks for the info. Can you clarify what predictions in multi agent scenarios are?

Re: Watch Zoox’s autonomous car drive around San Francisco for an hour

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post #14
post #7

Casually starting the turn and not yielding to pedestrians at 10:21. Companies actually put this kind of footage up without ever reviewing it?

Are you referring to the pedestrian who's almost crossed the crosswalk on the left side of the screen? This is still a proper yield as far as I can see. The car just enters the intersection before that person has finished crossing.

That's already the problem. Don't enter the intersection if you can not speedily finish your turn. There is also already another ped on collision course the moment they start moving forward.

Re: Watch Zoox’s autonomous car drive around San Francisco for an hour

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Is there a way to know that this isn’t done with remote control, other than the company says so?

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Re: Watch Zoox’s autonomous car drive around San Francisco for an hour

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you provide more context on the first part.

They've been keeping abreast. The co-founder, Tim Kentley Klay was somehow able to get Jesse Levinson on board, and Jesse Levinson had no problem getting infinite street cred on board. So they were able to attract a lot of key, original robotics talent before the hype got out of control. For a long time though, they were low on funds, so they did lots of closed course testing, and it wasn't until they closed a large…

What are some of examples of multi-agent scenarios they struggle with? Do you think there are paths to autonomous driving where we add infrastructure or laws to reduce the universe of these scenarios that would have to be dealt with? For example, adding dedicated autonomous driving lanes or reducing the amount of intersections between pedestrian walkways and roadways?

Re: Watch Zoox’s autonomous car drive around San Francisco for an hour

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you provide more context on the first part.

They've been keeping abreast. The co-founder, Tim Kentley Klay was somehow able to get Jesse Levinson on board, and Jesse Levinson had no problem getting infinite street cred on board. So they were able to attract a lot of key, original robotics talent before the hype got out of control. For a long time though, they were low on funds, so they did lots of closed course testing, and it wasn't until they closed a large…

Hm yeah sounds like what I have been hearing too. But the line engineer inside at Waymo are very optimistic at how close we are, maybe it's just the sentiment of the moment.

So in the scenario where predicting pedestrian/cyclist behavior holds up progress for a few more years. And given how the market has turned in SV and beyond, what's your read on how the space will play out? For example, car companies can't keep funding Aurora/Cruise/Argo because they will be facing very tough consumer climate, so the fight for funding internally will be even fiercer. Softbank funds Nuro and its portfolio of companies (WeWork and others) have been duds.

Google is expecting a bad 2020 ad revenue wise, unclear what will happen in 2021. The founders stepped out last year and the narrative has been that Google is less focused on "moonshots" and more on core ad business.

Is there any other deep pocketed investors that will finance development of AVs for another 5 years? Who will acquire the ones that are independent? IPO doesn't seem likely for any of them correct?

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