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Re: Privacy Not Included

#11

Post by kotrunga »

scrollaway wrote: post #9
kotrunga wrote: post #5

What is Mozilla doing? They are endorsing the 'Google Home'? The 'Ring Doorbell'? Products from Nest? I guess it makes sense, with the amount of money they get from Google- they have to. While these devices might have encryption, security updates, etc, many of the devices listed ABUSE user privacy. Many of the devices here ARE creepy! I could provide 10 links as proof, but it's not even worth the time. You can go ahe…

You didn't look very closely at the website and just jumped to conclusions, didn't you? They rank all the ones you mentioned as "Super creepy".

To a normal internet user, they make it look like they endorse the product.

The 'meets our minimum security standards' seal is still next to the product.

Re: Privacy Not Included

#13

Post by skybrian »

The UI is quite bizarre. The "not creepy" face changes based on scroll position, not what you point at. It's unclear which products it's even referring to.

I don't understand why they didn't display an ordinary table with checkboxes for each security feature.

Re: Privacy Not Included

#14

Post by saagarjha »

kotrunga wrote: post #11
scrollaway wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You didn't look very closely at the website and just jumped to conclusions, didn't you? They rank all the ones you mentioned as "Super creepy".

To a normal internet user, they make it look like they endorse the product. The 'meets our minimum security standards' seal is still next to the product.

To you, who may be a normal internet user, it makes it seem like they endorse the product. I didn't see that at all. (Plus, a "normal internet user" has no idea how Mozilla makes money.)

Re: Privacy Not Included

#15

Post by mrspeaker »

strict9 wrote: post #6

This is great and helpful, thank you Mozilla! If anyone that worked on this reads this, a suggestion: Please rank products based on Mozilla's rating and not user supplied sentiment. For example, it's hard to make sense of products that are "very creepy" or "somewhat creepy" yet have 4/5 or 5/5 overall security rating from Mozilla. It's not clear unless you really look that creepiness rating is not from Mozilla.

Also, the "creepy-ness" face only works with JavaScript enabled... I scrolled down the page and thought all these devices were "Not creepy!" because the face was smiling at me. It was only when seeing Ring Doorbell endorsed by Mozilla as "not creepy" did I twig that something was wrong.

Re: Privacy Not Included

#16

Post by saagarjha »

frankharv wrote: post #8

What I don't understand is why I have directories in Mozilla for every website that I have ever visited. These are under /{user}/.mozilla/seamonkey/{profile_name}.default/storage/default/ Inside this structure is a database. Local Storage is unacceptable. I have my security setting buttoned down. "Always clear my private data when I close Seamonkey" is set and includes all settings. How is a site by site sqlite datab…

Is there anything actually in that database?

Re: Privacy Not Included

#17

Post by saagarjha »

skybrian wrote: post #13

The UI is quite bizarre. The "not creepy" face changes based on scroll position , not what you point at. It's unclear which products it's even referring to. I don't understand why they didn't display an ordinary table with checkboxes for each security feature.

Yeah, the UI isn't great. The fact the face got out of your way and animated made its changes non-obvious.

Re: Privacy Not Included

#18

Post by henriquez »

This is a good resource, but the presentation needs work. The big emoji smiley face on top implies that all the products listed below are "good," but you have to actually click through on the product to see the actual rating (like Amazon's Ring Doorbell is rated by users as "Super Creepy").

The explanation of their Minimum Security Standards is pretty helpful and reasonable though: https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/about/m...

This reminds me of Mozilla's Observatory project (https://observatory.mozilla.org/) in a more consumer-focused package. I just wish they'd make it less confusing.

Re: Privacy Not Included

#19

Post by NikolaeVarius »

frankharv wrote: post #8

What I don't understand is why I have directories in Mozilla for every website that I have ever visited. These are under /{user}/.mozilla/seamonkey/{profile_name}.default/storage/default/ Inside this structure is a database. Local Storage is unacceptable. I have my security setting buttoned down. "Always clear my private data when I close Seamonkey" is set and includes all settings. How is a site by site sqlite datab…

You are using seamonkey, which is governed by a separate legal entity.

https://www.seamonkey-project.org/association/

Re: Privacy Not Included

#20

Post by tick_tock_tick »

scrollaway wrote: post #9
kotrunga wrote: post #5

What is Mozilla doing? They are endorsing the 'Google Home'? The 'Ring Doorbell'? Products from Nest? I guess it makes sense, with the amount of money they get from Google- they have to. While these devices might have encryption, security updates, etc, many of the devices listed ABUSE user privacy. Many of the devices here ARE creepy! I could provide 10 links as proof, but it's not even worth the time. You can go ahe…

You didn't look very closely at the website and just jumped to conclusions, didn't you? They rank all the ones you mentioned as "Super creepy".

Other way around Mozilla is endorsing google home as 5/5 "Overall Security Rating". Users going to this site have rated google home as creepy. Mozilla is not the one saying it's creepy they are giving it the 5/5.
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