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Re: Vox Media is cutting pay and furloughing 9% of employees

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I wish they would axe the entire staff! I can't stand their style of "explanatory journalism".

Come on man, let's avoid hoping for people to lose their jobs.

Some jobs should not be done.

That implies there are times we should root for people to lose their jobs.

This may not be one of them.

I just felt it was worth pointing out that this is a noble-sounding but poor idea.

Re: Vox Media is cutting pay and furloughing 9% of employees

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The context is interesting: https://twitter.com/balajis/status/1248317812260499456 https://twitter.com/balajis/status/1248317824394653697 https://twitter.com/balajis/status/1248317820800086016 https://twitter.com/balajis/status/1248318363538837504 The same company that considerably increased the damage the virus did in their country is now in financial difficulty as a result. They mocked people for avoiding handshake…

First tweet: Vox saying face masks aren't the best way to avoid Coronavirus. Actually basically the mainstream view in the US at the time, and still arguable. Note how right now the states aren't mandating masks, they're mandating social isolation. Second tweet: Vox factually reporting the tech industry is eschewing handshakes. Tweet author editorialises that Vox is telling them not to. Third Tweet: Vox factually rep…

Almost makes you wonder if balajis has a personal gripe with vox or recode or Ezra or Kara.

Balaji is a crypto bro and epitome of technocrats who thinks just because they are (rich|famous|networked), they are experts on everything. Fact of the matter is, Balaji doesn't know any more about Covid than what is reported. He's using hindsight bias to claim that media reported was false.

Re: Vox Media is cutting pay and furloughing 9% of employees

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Come on man, let's avoid hoping for people to lose their jobs.

Some jobs should not be done. That implies there are times we should root for people to lose their jobs. This may not be one of them. I just felt it was worth pointing out that this is a noble-sounding but poor idea.

Semantically agreed, is there anything wrong with hoping lobbyists for oil companies and weapons manufacturers lose their jobs, for example? :)

Re: Vox Media is cutting pay and furloughing 9% of employees

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The context is interesting: https://twitter.com/balajis/status/1248317812260499456 https://twitter.com/balajis/status/1248317824394653697 https://twitter.com/balajis/status/1248317820800086016 https://twitter.com/balajis/status/1248318363538837504 The same company that considerably increased the damage the virus did in their country is now in financial difficulty as a result. They mocked people for avoiding handshake…

> "Vox: advises citizens not to buy masks while Vox founder is buying masks"

Vox is not a monolith. Matty Y, the "founder" mentioned, tweeted in February that the CDC mask guidance didn't make sense, right around the time he purchased the masks.

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1233806758843383810?...

"I have never understood this message — are the masks ineffective or are they vital for health care workers? If it’s the latter shouldn’t we explicitly ration rather than trying to discourage purchases informally?" February 29, 2020.

he later wrote on March 30

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1245046686621327360?...

> I’m not sure how important the mask fiasco is, but the way public health officials did this is by (successfully!) manipulating media outlets that were trying to be responsible into amplifying misleading messages so I’m personally very angry about it.

So attacking Vox as a whole over this seems misleading. While they haven't been helpful on this issue, they were just repeating CDC and WHO guidance that dates back over 10 years - The CDC was telling people masks didn't work even during the 2009 swine flu pandemic. https://slatestarcodex.com/2020/03/23/face-masks-much-more-t...

Re: Vox Media is cutting pay and furloughing 9% of employees

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

First tweet: Vox saying face masks aren't the best way to avoid Coronavirus. Actually basically the mainstream view in the US at the time, and still arguable. Note how right now the states aren't mandating masks, they're mandating social isolation. Second tweet: Vox factually reporting the tech industry is eschewing handshakes. Tweet author editorialises that Vox is telling them not to. Third Tweet: Vox factually rep…

Almost makes you wonder if balajis has a personal gripe with vox or recode or Ezra or Kara. Balaji is a crypto bro and epitome of technocrats who thinks just because they are (rich|famous|networked), they are experts on everything. Fact of the matter is, Balaji doesn't know any more about Covid than what is reported. He's using hindsight bias to claim that media reported was false.

>> Balaji is a crypto bro and epitome of technocrats who thinks just because they are (rich|famous|networked), they are experts on everything. Fact of the matter is, Balaji doesn't know any more about Covid than what is reported. He's using hindsight bias to claim that media reported was false.

This is definitely not correct.

Balaji taught bioinformatics at Stanford and has published papers in the fields of clinical/microbial genomics.

As for hindsight bias, Balaji was promoting the use of masks very early.

Re: Vox Media is cutting pay and furloughing 9% of employees

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I wish they would axe the entire staff! I can't stand their style of "explanatory journalism".

Why? They do a pretty good job of distilling information and presenting them in a way most people can understand.

'Distilling' I think is the wrong word. They describe a person/event/situation from their highly ideological position. It's high-quality writing, but I stopped reading it for this reason.

Edit: from 'AllSides' analysis [1] "Vox's Explainers provide only one side of an issue, making it seem as if the information provided is all readers need to know, when in reality, Right-leaning individuals would likely include other facts or make different points about the topic. This prevents readers from getting a holistic understanding of the highlighted issues."

Which I find to be true. The most interesting thing is they are literally trying to 'explain' something, whilst pursuing their explanations in an obviously biased manner, ignoring information and viewpoints which might contradict their view. Which is to say ... it's the 'opposite' of explaining.

I don't have a problem with the publication, it's well written, but I question the ethics of telling people they are 'explaining' or 'distilling' the news when that's clearly not happening.

[1]https://www.allsides.com/news-source/vox-news-media-bias

Re: Vox Media is cutting pay and furloughing 9% of employees

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I wish they would axe the entire staff! I can't stand their style of "explanatory journalism".

I suggest people reading VOX also read articles on the same subject matter from other sources as well. Its easy to explain when you control what is put out and don't enable comments.

Same with John Oliver show. Both have value but take their explanations with a grain or two of salt.

Re: Vox Media is cutting pay and furloughing 9% of employees

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The context is interesting: https://twitter.com/balajis/status/1248317812260499456 https://twitter.com/balajis/status/1248317824394653697 https://twitter.com/balajis/status/1248317820800086016 https://twitter.com/balajis/status/1248318363538837504 The same company that considerably increased the damage the virus did in their country is now in financial difficulty as a result. They mocked people for avoiding handshake…

First tweet: Vox saying face masks aren't the best way to avoid Coronavirus. Actually basically the mainstream view in the US at the time, and still arguable. Note how right now the states aren't mandating masks, they're mandating social isolation. Second tweet: Vox factually reporting the tech industry is eschewing handshakes. Tweet author editorialises that Vox is telling them not to. Third Tweet: Vox factually rep…

I am not sure if the comment to which you are replying has since been edited, but the first tweet is a comparison of a Vox article from February, advising against buying face masks, next to a tweet by Vox's founder, saying he ordered his in February when they were available. I agree that that is not a reasonable comparison because the article was not written by the founder, but your commentary does not reflect the essence of (current) first tweet.
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