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Airbreak.dev: Jailbreak your CPAP machine to turn them into ventilators
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Re: Airbreak.dev: Jailbreak your CPAP machine to turn them into ventilators
#12Messing with vents if you don't know what you're doing sounds like a sure fire way to kill yourself.
Agreed. BiPaP to ventilator already seemed like a somewhat questionable transformation, and now we're going
CPAP ----questionable software hackery ----> BiPaP --- questionable hardware hacking ---> Ventilator
This is hubris. Ventilators are not iPhones circa 2010. It's irresponsible for non-medical researchers to not only pursue, but also disseminate, these jailbreaks. A significant portion of medical device RnD is related to creating technology that is hard to misuse and won't result in accidental death, and I just don't see that here.
Re: Airbreak.dev: Jailbreak your CPAP machine to turn them into ventilators
#13ventilators don't just pump air. they also monitor and control the amount of air, and beep when something is wrong. plus a bunch of other features...
CPAPs control the amount of air by measuring backpressure AFAIK.
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#14ventilators don't just pump air. they also monitor and control the amount of air, and beep when something is wrong. plus a bunch of other features...
Exactly, I would not like being hooked up to a machine that could overinflate my lungs without sounding any alarms.
Re: Airbreak.dev: Jailbreak your CPAP machine to turn them into ventilators
#15Also worth understanding that a ventilator is not always the best option - there have been findings recently that a tactic called 'proning' is often enough to increase blood oxygen:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/nyregion/new-york-coronav...
Re: Airbreak.dev: Jailbreak your CPAP machine to turn them into ventilators
#16Messing with vents if you don't know what you're doing sounds like a sure fire way to kill yourself.
Agreed. BiPaP to ventilator already seemed like a somewhat questionable transformation, and now we're going CPAP ----questionable software hackery ----> BiPaP --- questionable hardware hacking ---> Ventilator This is hubris. Ventilators are not iPhones circa 2010. It's irresponsible for non-medical researchers to not only pursue, but also disseminate, these jailbreaks. A significant portion of medical device RnD is r…
> A good portion of medical device RnD is related to creating technology that is hard to misuse and result in accidental death, and I just don't see that here.
The people relying on these hacks would be definitely dead without the hacks, that is the point. Even if the chances of this working successfully are only 10%, you just saved 10% of the patients compared to 0%.
Re: Airbreak.dev: Jailbreak your CPAP machine to turn them into ventilators
#17Messing with vents if you don't know what you're doing sounds like a sure fire way to kill yourself.
Agreed. BiPaP to ventilator already seemed like a somewhat questionable transformation, and now we're going CPAP ----questionable software hackery ----> BiPaP --- questionable hardware hacking ---> Ventilator This is hubris. Ventilators are not iPhones circa 2010. It's irresponsible for non-medical researchers to not only pursue, but also disseminate, these jailbreaks. A significant portion of medical device RnD is r…
I mean, it's also irresponsible for societies to have fewer respiratory therapists and ventilators than are needed to support their patients, but here we are.
Re: Airbreak.dev: Jailbreak your CPAP machine to turn them into ventilators
#18Messing with vents if you don't know what you're doing sounds like a sure fire way to kill yourself.
Agreed. BiPaP to ventilator already seemed like a somewhat questionable transformation, and now we're going CPAP ----questionable software hackery ----> BiPaP --- questionable hardware hacking ---> Ventilator This is hubris. Ventilators are not iPhones circa 2010. It's irresponsible for non-medical researchers to not only pursue, but also disseminate, these jailbreaks. A significant portion of medical device RnD is r…
Agree with your sentiment. Now to nitpick: the first iPhone jailbreak was achieved days after the iPhone was released
way back in July 2007.
Source: https://www.cultofmac.com/192850/the-history-of-jailbreaking...
Re: Airbreak.dev: Jailbreak your CPAP machine to turn them into ventilators
#19ventilators don't just pump air. they also monitor and control the amount of air, and beep when something is wrong. plus a bunch of other features...
So do CPAP machines, though.
Re: Airbreak.dev: Jailbreak your CPAP machine to turn them into ventilators
#20ventilators don't just pump air. they also monitor and control the amount of air, and beep when something is wrong. plus a bunch of other features...
A typical modern CPAP also takes measurements, and makes limited adjustments based on what it sees. It doesn't just pump air. Not that it's as capable as a real ventilator, but it's not just a simple air pump, either.