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The private and public lives of Albert Einstein

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Re: The private and public lives of Albert Einstein

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This is frankly one of the most absurd and saddest things I've read - and I'm surprised to see it attributed to Einstein.

Not only was he abusive to his first wife, he then got married to his cousin, and almost proposed to her daughter . Beyond that, he had a great deal of affairs. Einstein may have been smart, but he was a really awful person.

Being shitty about commitment and affection in your romantic life does not by default make you an awful person. It makes you bad at strong romantic relationships perhaps. There are however many other metrics of what makes someone good and bad in a moral and human sense. So please, lay off the "if you ever cheat on your wife you must be a piece of human garbage" nonsense.

Re: The private and public lives of Albert Einstein

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i read these rules he had for this 1st wife years ago "A. You will make sure: 1. that my clothes and laundry are kept in good order; 2. that I will receive my three meals regularly in my room; 3. that my bedroom and study are kept neat, and especially that my desk is left for my use only. B. You will renounce all personal relations with me insofar as they are not completely necessary for social reasons. Specifically,…

What’s wrong with this? That’s want he wants from life and found a willing wife to do it.

Re: The private and public lives of Albert Einstein

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i read these rules he had for this 1st wife years ago "A. You will make sure: 1. that my clothes and laundry are kept in good order; 2. that I will receive my three meals regularly in my room; 3. that my bedroom and study are kept neat, and especially that my desk is left for my use only. B. You will renounce all personal relations with me insofar as they are not completely necessary for social reasons. Specifically,…

This is frankly one of the most absurd and saddest things I've read - and I'm surprised to see it attributed to Einstein.

Absurd? Really?

Re: The private and public lives of Albert Einstein

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should private lives be made public post morteum?

How else we could shatter the illusion that heroes exist?

Real heros exist. But only children believe they are infallible.

As the pretend hero, Malcolm Reynolds, said "It's my estimation that every man ever got a statue made of him was one kind of a son of a bitch or another."

Re: The private and public lives of Albert Einstein

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not only was he abusive to his first wife, he then got married to his cousin, and almost proposed to her daughter . Beyond that, he had a great deal of affairs. Einstein may have been smart, but he was a really awful person.

Being shitty about commitment and affection in your romantic life does not by default make you an awful person. It makes you bad at strong romantic relationships perhaps. There are however many other metrics of what makes someone good and bad in a moral and human sense. So please, lay off the "if you ever cheat on your wife you must be a piece of human garbage" nonsense.

Why is the relationship sphere separate from the moral sphere? How do you decide what belongs in the moral sphere? Does the relationship sphere overlap with the moral sphere in other areas just not in fidelity? Why doesn't it intersect there?

Saying someone is boolean "good" or "bad" is of course complex - perhaps beyond utility. But to the extent a moral evaluation is being made of a person (unless your point is no such evaluation can or should ever be made?) I don't see how their conduct in their romantic relationships could be exempted?

Re: The private and public lives of Albert Einstein

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post #12

should private lives be made public post morteum?

How else we could shatter the illusion that heroes exist?

Why is shattering this illusion a good thing? Especially if a 'false', heroic impression of someone inspires you to achieve great things, or act more virtuously, that you otherwise wouldn't have done.

There's a difference between 'hero worship' and 'hero inspiration', IMO. The difficult part is getting rid of the former while not destroying the latter in the process.

Re: The private and public lives of Albert Einstein

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How else we could shatter the illusion that heroes exist?

Real heros exist. But only children believe they are infallible. As the pretend hero, Malcolm Reynolds, said "It's my estimation that every man ever got a statue made of him was one kind of a son of a bitch or another."

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Re: The private and public lives of Albert Einstein

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i read these rules he had for this 1st wife years ago "A. You will make sure: 1. that my clothes and laundry are kept in good order; 2. that I will receive my three meals regularly in my room; 3. that my bedroom and study are kept neat, and especially that my desk is left for my use only. B. You will renounce all personal relations with me insofar as they are not completely necessary for social reasons. Specifically,…

This is taken out of context somewhat, so I'll offer it just to try to keep things balanced. This appears to come from Walter Isaacson biography on Einstein. At the time, Einstein's first marriage had deteriorated and they were already living apart. This was an offer to move back in together for the sake of their children. His wife didn't accept these terms and they divorced in 1919. Also we're talking about 100 year…

Not sure I agree. There were a couple of books I picked up as presents, they were reprints of a book ~100 years old, called something like 'advice for husbands' and 'advice for wives', something like that. They were ~2/3rds the same advice, and of course, what's good for the goose is good for the gander, and frankly most if it was surprisingly sensible and relevant today (some still has the assumption that the man is in the superior position, and some is a bit painful, but perhaps not as much as you'd think).

OK, found it https://raffertysrules.blog/2011/04/18/donts-for-husbands-do...

Extract, make of it what you will:

Advice for Wives

Don’t interpret too literally the ‘obey’ of the Marriage Service. Your husband has no right to control your individuality.

Don’t let your husband feel that you are a ‘dear little woman’, but no good intellectually. If you find yourself getting stale, wake up your brain.

Don’t keep your sweetest smiles and your best manners for outsiders; let your husband come first.

Don’t grumble because his idea of work differs from yours. If he works hard at anything, let him do it his own way, and be satisfied.

Don’t refuse to see your husband’s jokes. They may be pretty poor ones, but it won’t hurt you to smile at them.

Don’t allow yourself to get into the habit of dressing carelessly when there is ‘only’ your husband to see you. Depend upon it he has no use for faded tea-gowns and badly dressed hair, and he abhors the sight of curling pins as much as other men do. He is a man after all, and if his wife does not take the trouble to charm him, there are plenty of other women who will. [Ouch!]

Advice for Husbands

Don’t refuse to get up and investigate in the night if your wife hears an unusual noise, or fancies she smells fire or escaping gas. She will be afraid of shaming you by getting up herself, and will lie awake working herself into a fever. This may be illogical, but it’s true.

Don’t be surprised, or annoyed, or disappointed, to find, after treating your wife for years as a feather-brain, that you have made her one, and that she fails to rise to the occasion when you need her help.

Don’t belittle your wife before visitors. You may think it a joke to speak of her little foibles, but she will not easily forgive you.

Don’t refuse your wife’s overtures when next you meet if you have unfortunately had a bit of a breeze. Remember it costs her something to make them, and if you weren’t a bit of a pig, you would save her the embarrassment by making them yourself.

Don’t chide your wife in public, whatever you may feel it necessary to do in private. She will not easily forgive you for having witnesses to her discomfiture.

Don’t call your wife a coward because she is afraid of a spider. Probably in a case of real danger she would prove to be quite as brave as you.

Re: The private and public lives of Albert Einstein

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How else we could shatter the illusion that heroes exist?

Why is shattering this illusion a good thing? Especially if a 'false', heroic impression of someone inspires you to achieve great things, or act more virtuously, that you otherwise wouldn't have done. There's a difference between 'hero worship' and 'hero inspiration', IMO. The difficult part is getting rid of the former while not destroying the latter in the process.

I think the parent may have been sarcastic. I certainly hope so. Life was much better before my idols had entirely mundane Instagram feeds.
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