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Picking a fight with an 800 lb gorilla, startup marketing

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Re: Picking a fight with an 800 lb gorilla, startup marketing

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post #9

Still doesn't help individuals selling products online and are stuck using paypal and risking having their accounts frozen.

stay tuned...

... for support outside the US! =)

I kid, I kid! Much love from someone whose spent 10 years now dealing with banks and the credit card companies.

Re: Picking a fight with an 800 lb gorilla, startup marketing

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WePay is awesome. I found out about them a few weeks back and within seconds had a account ready for my skydiving group to get going.

I'm still waiting on support for outside the US & it would be nice for them to support transactions & become a full-fledged paypal competitor, but with leadership thinking things through this well, I'm really hopefully we'll finallY have another alternative.

Re: Picking a fight with an 800 lb gorilla, startup marketing

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

stay tuned...

... for support outside the US! =) I kid, I kid! Much love from someone whose spent 10 years now dealing with banks and the credit card companies.

the two requirements are pretty related.

Not many consumers (besides people collecting donations) need international, and very few merchants would be happy without it.

It's been made clear to us that this is a pretty big opportunity.

Re: Picking a fight with an 800 lb gorilla, startup marketing

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post #10

I posted this as a comment on the blog, but it kind of disappeared... so whatever. I mentioned that sometimes the 800 pound gorilla isn't as slow or bureaucratic as you would think. With PostageApp, we have several large competitors (SendGrid and MailChimp) and they are frighteningly good at pivoting and offering new and exciting features. I'm having a really fun time watching the developments of all the players in o…

SendGrid and MailChimp might be large competitors relative to the size of PostageApp, but the scale difference is orders of magnitude less than the scale difference between WePay and PayPal.

I counted 18 people on the "team" page of SendGrid, and MailChimp's website lists them as having about 70 people working for them. I haven't been able to find exact numbers of employees at PayPal, but I know it's easily into the thousands, and very possibly into the tens of thousands.

I think you have a good point: that relying on being able to move faster than your competitors can be dangerous if your competitors aren't actually slow. I don't think you can really make an accurate comparison between SendGrid/MailChimp and PayPal though. The scale (and culture) is just completely different.

Re: Picking a fight with an 800 lb gorilla, startup marketing

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post #8

It's also not easy for big companies to change course, add features, iterate, or experiment. PayPal can't simply decide to shift its focus toward consumers, nor would they want to. This reminds me of an outstanding article I read some time ago which advised: "Attack your competitors' strengths , not their weaknesses." In other words, WePay might have failed if their goal was (for example) just to provide better custo…

I'm incredibly intrigued by the advice from that article, I'd love to read it. Do you remember where it's from?

Re: Picking a fight with an 800 lb gorilla, startup marketing

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post #15
post #8

It's also not easy for big companies to change course, add features, iterate, or experiment. PayPal can't simply decide to shift its focus toward consumers, nor would they want to. This reminds me of an outstanding article I read some time ago which advised: "Attack your competitors' strengths , not their weaknesses." In other words, WePay might have failed if their goal was (for example) just to provide better custo…

I'm incredibly intrigued by the advice from that article, I'd love to read it. Do you remember where it's from?

Sorry... I searched for it, but for the life of me I can't track it down. I think the original article was talking about DuckDuckGo and Google; the "strength" in that case was Google's information-gathering: Google's bottom line is partially defined by using the information it records about its users to drive advertisements and other usability tweaks (such as marking search results with stars, etc). By focusing on privacy, DDG "attacked Google's strength"--Google can't compete with DDG on privacy because it's precluded by what Google does best.

You can obviously frame "lack of privacy" as a weakness of Google, but the important part is that it's a weakness that can't be addressed without huge changes to work around their established strengths.

Re: Picking a fight with an 800 lb gorilla, startup marketing

#17
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... for support outside the US! =) I kid, I kid! Much love from someone whose spent 10 years now dealing with banks and the credit card companies.

the two requirements are pretty related. Not many consumers (besides people collecting donations) need international, and very few merchants would be happy without it. It's been made clear to us that this is a pretty big opportunity.

Don't worry, I know better then most all the issues you face in doing what you are doing, and frankly, you're being smart about it, which is why I'm rooting for you. =)

Re: Picking a fight with an 800 lb gorilla, startup marketing

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post #3

Great description of when they realized how valuable the comparison with PayPal could be: "The first time we actively embraced the PayPal comparison was when PayPal froze the account of the Flux foundation – a non-profit arts organization – just a few days before the Flux Crew headed to the desert to build their famous Temple at Burning Man. The Flux Foundation and a bunch of other people and organizations collecting…

Really amazing and Funny

Re: Picking a fight with an 800 lb gorilla, startup marketing

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Something I'd be very interested to hear about is how WePay is going to handle fraud. Fraud and abuse prevention is a huge part of what PayPal does and I would guess the major reason behind their atrocious customer service and the issues with groups like the Flux foundation.

It seems like every other week on Reddit there is someone who says they have disease X or is raising money for disease X and would you please PayPal them some money. This is immediately followed by a bunch of people digging internet dirt on that person and declaring them a fraud, which is then immediately followed by another group of people telling the first group that the person is legit and that they made them cry.

I don't even know how you start to deal with that situation as a financial entity. Do you call the person up and ask them if they have cancer? Do they fax you medical records?

Re: Picking a fight with an 800 lb gorilla, startup marketing

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If you take a picture of someone, don't stand close and your camera in wide angle. Move away and zoom in. Your picture will look more realistic. When you stand too close the wide angle makes the centre part of the image look fatter because it is a fish eye. Model photographers never stand close to a model. The same for your webcam.
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