Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code • Hacker News Board

Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code

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Post by pizza234 » Tue, Mar 31, 2020, 4:15 PM UTC

newprint wrote: post #6

But why ? What is the point ? There is already Visual Studio(free community edition equivalent to Professional Edition), Visual Studio Code, IntelliJ. Why waste more time and effort to re-invent the wheel ? As OSS project, it will not be able to keep-up with changes to MSBuild and .NET

IntelliJ is not entirely free, and VS Community Edition is not "equivalent" to the Professional Edition.

Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code

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Post by scriptproof » Tue, Mar 31, 2020, 4:17 PM UTC

newprint wrote: post #6

But why ? What is the point ? There is already Visual Studio(free community edition equivalent to Professional Edition), Visual Studio Code, IntelliJ. Why waste more time and effort to re-invent the wheel ? As OSS project, it will not be able to keep-up with changes to MSBuild and .NET

Citation: "Unfortunately, Microsoft prohibits non-Visual Studio products from installing any binaries downloaded from their marketplace". Etc...

Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code

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Post by jve » Tue, Mar 31, 2020, 4:19 PM UTC

And in what sense VSCode isn't a "true" open source app? Just because the installer isnt open sourced?

> Theia relies on Visual Studio Code’s Language Server Protocol to provide language-specific code completion and the other features we expect in a modern code editor. https://www.infoworld.com/article/3342624/cloud-ide-shoot-ou...

Okay, they reuse parts from VSCode in true open source spirit and make claims like that.

> Theia 1.0 also has a marketplace that is available today and, in the spirit of true open source community, allows for even non-VS Code applications to use these extensions

What does that mean? Looked up and appears that IDE is built with extensions and you can use those APIs to customize IDE. + provides APIs from VSCode to maintain compatibility. Ok thats neat.

Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code

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Post by majkinetor » Tue, Mar 31, 2020, 4:20 PM UTC

_benj wrote: post #5

If this is intended to be a VSCode alternative, where are the download area? Why the strong emphasis on cloud? A version 1.0 with no package released? need top run it on docker? I don't want to sound negative, I would really want to download it an try it... but from what I see in a quick glance, they want me to setup a whole cloud to use this, not how I envision an editor that is trying to take on the most popular ed…

https://github.com/theia-ide/theia-apps#theia-desktop

Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code

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Post by majkinetor » Tue, Mar 31, 2020, 4:22 PM UTC

newprint wrote: post #6

But why ? What is the point ? There is already Visual Studio(free community edition equivalent to Professional Edition), Visual Studio Code, IntelliJ. Why waste more time and effort to re-invent the wheel ? As OSS project, it will not be able to keep-up with changes to MSBuild and .NET

Why not ? You have a problem with extra options that you don't have to use ?

Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code

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Post by The_rationalist » Tue, Mar 31, 2020, 4:22 PM UTC

pizza234 wrote: post #11

newprint wrote: post #6

But why ? What is the point ? There is already Visual Studio(free community edition equivalent to Professional Edition), Visual Studio Code, IntelliJ. Why waste more time and effort to re-invent the wheel ? As OSS project, it will not be able to keep-up with changes to MSBuild and .NET

IntelliJ is not entirely free, and VS Community Edition is not "equivalent" to the Professional Edition.

Intellij community is the open source IDE that has by far the most features. So even if you can pay for the premium version, I would argue that jetbrains is in it's own league.

Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code

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Post by The_rationalist » Tue, Mar 31, 2020, 4:24 PM UTC

majkinetor wrote: post #15

newprint wrote: post #6

But why ? What is the point ? There is already Visual Studio(free community edition equivalent to Professional Edition), Visual Studio Code, IntelliJ. Why waste more time and effort to re-invent the wheel ? As OSS project, it will not be able to keep-up with changes to MSBuild and .NET

Why not ? You have a problem with extra options that you don't have to use ?

Wasted human resources and talents. Progress would be more prevalent if HRs were better allocated. But they are indeed free to work on whatever they like even if I will not benefit from their work, sadly.

Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code

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Post by reaperducer » Tue, Mar 31, 2020, 4:24 PM UTC

sbuttgereit wrote: post #7

OK, I'll bite... "...that enable developers, organizations, and vendors to create new, extensible solutions that avoid the fees associated with VS Code." What fees are they talking about? VS Code is not my regular editor, but the whole thing seems to indicate confusion between "Visual Studio" and "Visual Studio Code". I am missing something or is the Eclipse Foundation really conflating the two?

Yeah, I don't see the point of this, either.

If you're looking for an alternative to Visual Studio Code, isn't that what VS Codium is for?

Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code

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Post by sbuttgereit » Tue, Mar 31, 2020, 4:27 PM UTC

trishume wrote: post #9

I was confused why the screenshot on the homepage ( https://theia-ide.org/ ) looked so outrageously similar to VSCode, so I checked the source. It looks like the editor widget is Monaco (from VSCode) so the text editing experience is entirely based on VSCode and Theia provides an alternative for the surrounding IDE stuff. Then they added a theme that imitates VSCode as much as possible to create the screenshot on the…

Yeah... My first thought was, OK... they've just forked VS Code without really saying they did. Digging a bit it seemed that wasn't the case, but the marketing message that "this is VS Code just without Microsoft" would seem to be strong enough as to cause real marketplace confusion.

Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code

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Post by majkinetor » Tue, Mar 31, 2020, 4:27 PM UTC

While I don't plan to use it in the near futre, its good to have alternative because company agendas do change and less so in non-profit zone.

But, the major benefit IMO is this:

> We encourage VS Code extension developers to push their extensions to Open VSX in addition to Microsoft’s marketplace.” Open VSX is “an open-source implementation of a VS Code extension registry that we have developed under the umbrella of the Eclipse Foundation

This sounds like a nice thing to have and is usable ASAP. It will probably come with less potential restrictions (like political bans of developers on GitHub etc.)