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I'm calling Bullshit on Medtronic's Open Sourcing of a ventilator design

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Re: I'm calling Bullshit on Medtronic's Open Sourcing of a ventilator design

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Nationalize this IP and require the IP to be open source. Figure out the payments afterwards.

Why not nationalize the IP from all the ventilator manufacturers and make a best of breed version. But we would have to get it into mass production in a month to be of significant benefit.

numbers more important than best of breed, imo

Re: I'm calling Bullshit on Medtronic's Open Sourcing of a ventilator design

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I wonder if there is a project where a cheaper hospital for a third world country can be created by using tech which is old but not covered under current IP (expired patents). I mean i believe stuff like MRI cannot be manufactured by non large manufacturers but what about all other machines. My guess is the bottleneck would be no one except current manufacturers make it at scale to do it cheap enough. It would be a g…

I'm almost ready to publish something like that, finishing up the documentation tonight hopefully.

Re: I'm calling Bullshit on Medtronic's Open Sourcing of a ventilator design

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More dirt of Medtronic:

- In May 2018, Medtronic was ranked as the largest corporate tax inversion in history. [1]

- Medtronic weaseled their way out of creating affordable ventilators for the US government.[2]

[1] https://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/investment-id...

[2] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/29/business/coronavirus-us-v...

Re: I'm calling Bullshit on Medtronic's Open Sourcing of a ventilator design

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Nationalize this IP and require the IP to be open source. Figure out the payments afterwards.

Why not nationalize the IP from all the ventilator manufacturers and make a best of breed version. But we would have to get it into mass production in a month to be of significant benefit.

The problem is ramping up manufacturing and supply chains, not designing a better ventilator. Even if it were, a best-of-breed would be incrementally better at best, but at the cost of months if not years. Efforts are actually going the other direction, a MVP ventalator, because of manufacturing and supply chains.

Re: I'm calling Bullshit on Medtronic's Open Sourcing of a ventilator design

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This looks like the kind of documentation that all end users would get. Enough to do PM maybe, enough to operate it, enough to satisfy regulatory requirements (eg: prove how the tech was tested, what those procedures were, controls on the docs, etc).

There is no way to manufacture one from this set of docs.

Re: I'm calling Bullshit on Medtronic's Open Sourcing of a ventilator design

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I wonder if there is a project where a cheaper hospital for a third world country can be created by using tech which is old but not covered under current IP (expired patents). I mean i believe stuff like MRI cannot be manufactured by non large manufacturers but what about all other machines. My guess is the bottleneck would be no one except current manufacturers make it at scale to do it cheap enough. It would be a g…

Sounds eerily similar to a key plot point in Walkaway [1]. Except there it was not the 3rd world, but people walking away from 1st (default) world. The IP was originally public domain/govt. funded in the book though (you could make an argument that a lot of new research patents have govt. funding in there somewhere, depending on how basic you want to go).

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walkaway_(Doctorow_novel)

Re: I'm calling Bullshit on Medtronic's Open Sourcing of a ventilator design

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Not only are the files incomplete to actually go into production, they’ve picked a model where the components are not readily available on the open market in quantities large enough to have an impact corresponding to effort. IC4 is some variant of the ST10F27 (can’t make out the last digit from the low res pdf they’ve provided), and there are only a few thousand of all variants of that chip available online with quot…

It looks like this family of ventilators is not new. It's not surprising that it uses ICs that are older and harder to source because there was never a need to upgrade them. Maybe this is on us, the tech industry, for doing a lousy job at supporting old technology and being so eager to move to the next version.

Re: I'm calling Bullshit on Medtronic's Open Sourcing of a ventilator design

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More dirt of Medtronic: - In May 2018, Medtronic was ranked as the largest corporate tax inversion in history. [1] - Medtronic weaseled their way out of creating affordable ventilators for the US government.[2] [1] https://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/investment-id... [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/29/business/coronavirus-us-v...

Those two facts interleave in a weird way. Covidien bought the company the US government contracted to build affordable ventalators in 2012. Medtronic bought Covidien in 2015 as a tax inversion. So Medtronic didn't really kill the project. Also, what was the DOJ doing when Covidien bought Newport? If the project was going as well as the NYT suggests, why didn't the justice department get more involved? Granted, hindsight, and all.
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