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Singapore to Open Source Bluetooth Contact Tracing

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Re: Singapore to Open Source Bluetooth Contact Tracing

#11
Sadly this won't happen in the US. Even if it's really private, people won't install it unless it's pushed down to them as an update from above, and no company will want to be the first to push it.

I suspect the bigger issue is people don't want to be told by an app that they need to go get tested.

Come to think of it, cities like New York could push it as part of a bigger, more comprehensive covid app...

Re: Singapore to Open Source Bluetooth Contact Tracing

#13
post #4

If this gets any sort of public traction it'll be built in to shop doorways, public transport, police cars, and street lights within a couple of months.

I was under the impression many private sector companies have already deployed these tools. Just a matter of companies buying/implementing them.

Yes, visit tracking has been around for years. Here is one product (https://support.google.com/google-ads/answer/6100636?hl=en), I assume there are many more.

I guess it's not more well-known because it's not in the stores interests to publicize it.

Re: Singapore to Open Source Bluetooth Contact Tracing

#14

Can't wait to be tracked by tech developed by a governmental team in the name of safety. Opensource or not a leash is a leash.

I'm curious as a non-expert what's specifically worrying about their privacy model?

My intuition is that rapid adoption of a relatively transparent privacy-preseving option could preempt more heavy-handed approaches to what could be a very valuable public health intervention.

Re: Singapore to Open Source Bluetooth Contact Tracing

#15
post #7
post #4

If this gets any sort of public traction it'll be built in to shop doorways, public transport, police cars, and street lights within a couple of months.

Yeah, in a new york minute. This is already built into iOS in their newer Find My Phone. The carriers also know who and where we are just need to add in covid testing data. The problem is that even if it is decentralized and OSS, then the average user can't/won't install it. If it is simple and easy (centralized), then it becomes a honey pot for the government.

Carriers know where we are, are you referring to triangulation?

Re: Singapore to Open Source Bluetooth Contact Tracing

#17

Can't wait to be tracked by tech developed by a governmental team in the name of safety. Opensource or not a leash is a leash.

I'm curious as a non-expert what's specifically worrying about their privacy model? My intuition is that rapid adoption of a relatively transparent privacy-preseving option could preempt more heavy-handed approaches to what could be a very valuable public health intervention.

I'd agree if remote tracking was the only option, and if there was a guaranteed policy against public backslash towards those that don't comply out of privacy reasons (which would skyrocket in a health hazard emergency).

These privacy exceptions all affected goverments are talking about (Italy being a great example, viz. Veneto region governor asking for a change in privacy laws the other day) are not going to magically disappear once the coast is clear, just like post 9/11 emergency laws still being used in the US.

I believe there are other ways to help people and that, if you are a government that claims having to resort to remote control its popoulation, maybe your power is either insufficient for your secret expansion goals or you're an inefficient populist.

Every (western) government publicly hates the Chinese government but they do seem to have wet dreams about the population control bit, especially when backed by corporations.

Re: Singapore to Open Source Bluetooth Contact Tracing

#18

Can't wait to be tracked by tech developed by a governmental team in the name of safety. Opensource or not a leash is a leash.

We all carry around a radio that broadcasts our location. I guess we'll end up switching off Bluetooth except to known good devices, or when we intentionally want to discover what's around us.

Re: Singapore to Open Source Bluetooth Contact Tracing

#20
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was under the impression many private sector companies have already deployed these tools. Just a matter of companies buying/implementing them.

Yes, visit tracking has been around for years. Here is one product ( https://support.google.com/google-ads/answer/6100636?hl=en ), I assume there are many more. I guess it's not more well-known because it's not in the stores interests to publicize it.

Any idea how it works? The site is not very helpful in that manner.
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