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Re: Telegram Sex Slave Video Scandal Hits South Korea

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Post by tialaramex »

lsh wrote: post #2

"Enjoying this article? Click here to subscribe for full access. Just $5 a month." I remember I read a news article once about a man who battered his girlfriend to death with an iPod for messing with his playlist. The article had embedded advertisements to buy iPods.

The satirical magazine "Private Eye" collects these as "Malgorithmns - A feature dedicated to excellence in online advertising" and they're usually much as you described. The software has spotted a mention of idea A, but doesn't grok that the context makes this a bad time to advertise X even though A and X are associated in some way.

They also, as fair play, put in some examples from offline (physical newspaper) advertising.

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Post by reitzensteinm »

lsh wrote: post #2

"Enjoying this article? Click here to subscribe for full access. Just $5 a month." I remember I read a news article once about a man who battered his girlfriend to death with an iPod for messing with his playlist. The article had embedded advertisements to buy iPods.

It seems so easy to avoid, too. Just add a "Somber Mood" checkbox to your CMS when publishing, and swap it to "Help us continue to provide important journalism..."

Re: Telegram Sex Slave Video Scandal Hits South Korea

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Post by DoreenMichele »

fulafel wrote: post #10

Tangentially related to underground rings: SK has heavy censorship on a lot of things: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_South_Korea#Subj... Details on the great content firewall: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/south-korea-i...

Probably not tangential. From your Wikipedia link:

South Korea is one of the few countries that explicitly prohibit any form of pornography.

Studies show that availability of porn reduces incidence of rape. It's not something most people want to hear. They want to believe all rapists are evil monsters, not that at least some are men with no socially acceptable means to meet their needs.

Re: Telegram Sex Slave Video Scandal Hits South Korea

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Post by hirundo »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #8

In a nutshell, this is why I am open about having been molested and raped as a child. I was taught the shame was not in me. It was on the man who assaulted me. As long as women can be shamed and blackmailed and no amount of trying to "be good" is ever adequate protection, you will see things in this vein. No woman should ever be characterized as a "whore." We don't do that to men. Men who get around have bragging rig…

> No woman should ever be characterized as a "whore."

No, since "whore" tends to be derogative. But we should make it socially acceptable for a woman to be a prostitute, lady of pleasure, hetaera, etc. These can be highly skilled, honest businesspeople that deserve our respect. Calling one a "whore" should be like calling a physician a "sawbones", which is often not meant derogatively.

> Without socially acceptable outlets ... you just compound problems and actively create problems.

And one important such outlet is prostitution, by and for all sexes.

Hopefully some day we could call someone a whore and they'd honestly respond with something like "well I'm not actually a professional at it, but I generally admire them, so thank you."

Re: Telegram Sex Slave Video Scandal Hits South Korea

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Post by DoreenMichele »

hirundo wrote: post #14
DoreenMichele wrote: post #8

In a nutshell, this is why I am open about having been molested and raped as a child. I was taught the shame was not in me. It was on the man who assaulted me. As long as women can be shamed and blackmailed and no amount of trying to "be good" is ever adequate protection, you will see things in this vein. No woman should ever be characterized as a "whore." We don't do that to men. Men who get around have bragging rig…

> No woman should ever be characterized as a "whore." No, since "whore" tends to be derogative. But we should make it socially acceptable for a woman to be a prostitute, lady of pleasure, hetaera, etc. These can be highly skilled, honest businesspeople that deserve our respect. Calling one a "whore" should be like calling a physician a "sawbones", which is often not meant derogatively. > Without socially acceptable o…

Just for the record, I'm for the decriminalization of prostitution as defined by Dolores French in her autobiography "Working: My life as a prostitute."

I intentionally did not mention that because the current climate means an awful lot of men would like to strongly advocate for a woman's right to say "yes" while not just as strongly advocating for her right to say "no," this is an overwhelmingly male forum and this article is not a good jumping off point for having a good discussion about that topic.

I've spoken before about my pro decriminalization stance. That's not news.

I don't think this is the right time and place to focus on that. So I didn't bring it up.

Re: Telegram Sex Slave Video Scandal Hits South Korea

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Post by himinlomax »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #13
fulafel wrote: post #10

Tangentially related to underground rings: SK has heavy censorship on a lot of things: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_South_Korea#Subj... Details on the great content firewall: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/south-korea-i...

Probably not tangential . From your Wikipedia link: South Korea is one of the few countries that explicitly prohibit any form of pornography. Studies show that availability of porn reduces incidence of rape. It's not something most people want to hear. They want to believe all rapists are evil monsters, not that at least some are men with no socially acceptable means to meet their needs.

I'm not convinced of the causality here. It's more likely that societies that are so repressed as to ban pornography also are too repressed to handle sex-related issues, whatever they are. Rapists are a small percentage of the population, most of them fall under cluster B personality disorder, and their prevalence does not change much across cultures.

Openness about sex allows two things: first, abusers can actually be caught, and stopped from re-offending; second, the unacceptable nature of sex offenses is on public display.

When all sex is censored / hidden from view, there is no social distinction between normal and criminal behavior. Consider, when having sex with your fiancée before marriage is supposed to send you to hell, what's worse about diddling the little cousin? Of course, not to normal humans, but that's the kind of things that goes into cluster B's heads.

Re: Telegram Sex Slave Video Scandal Hits South Korea

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Post by DoreenMichele »

himinlomax wrote: post #16
DoreenMichele wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably not tangential . From your Wikipedia link: South Korea is one of the few countries that explicitly prohibit any form of pornography. Studies show that availability of porn reduces incidence of rape. It's not something most people want to hear. They want to believe all rapists are evil monsters, not that at least some are men with no socially acceptable means to meet their needs.

I'm not convinced of the causality here. It's more likely that societies that are so repressed as to ban pornography also are too repressed to handle sex-related issues, whatever they are. Rapists are a small percentage of the population, most of them fall under cluster B personality disorder, and their prevalence does not change much across cultures. Openness about sex allows two things: first, abusers can actually…

I don't disagree.

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Post by bJGVygG7MQVF8c »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #8

In a nutshell, this is why I am open about having been molested and raped as a child. I was taught the shame was not in me. It was on the man who assaulted me. As long as women can be shamed and blackmailed and no amount of trying to "be good" is ever adequate protection, you will see things in this vein. No woman should ever be characterized as a "whore." We don't do that to men. Men who get around have bragging rig…

> We don't do that to men. Men who get around have bragging rights for "being a stud" or whatever.

This canard, along with much of the rest of your post, is wildly separable from "let's not molest and rape children".

Sexual morality is a subtle thing. Plenty of people have sexual trauma they associate with a culture of licentiousness or libertinism, which to the untrained eye is indistinguishable from one in which we "build bridges and foster healthy and safe avenues for sexual expression and sexual satisfaction". Or perhaps more cynically / realistically, over time, as a sense of security grows, the latter shades into the former.

Re: Telegram Sex Slave Video Scandal Hits South Korea

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Post by fulafel »

himinlomax wrote: post #16
DoreenMichele wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably not tangential . From your Wikipedia link: South Korea is one of the few countries that explicitly prohibit any form of pornography. Studies show that availability of porn reduces incidence of rape. It's not something most people want to hear. They want to believe all rapists are evil monsters, not that at least some are men with no socially acceptable means to meet their needs.

I'm not convinced of the causality here. It's more likely that societies that are so repressed as to ban pornography also are too repressed to handle sex-related issues, whatever they are. Rapists are a small percentage of the population, most of them fall under cluster B personality disorder, and their prevalence does not change much across cultures. Openness about sex allows two things: first, abusers can actually…

Could Japan be a natural experiment in this regard? It's quite repressed (right?) but there is little censorship. It seems Japan has a much lower rate according to the first stats my web search showed me: https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/rape-statistics-...
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