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South Korea Preserved the Open Society and Now Infection Rates Are Falling

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Re: South Korea Preserved the Open Society and Now Infection Rates Are Falling

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> Actually, there’s a better question: why should the U.S. copy China rather than South Korea?

Because it's too fucking late for the South Korea response. I'm sorry, but asking questions like this at this point is completely useless, and the "wait, woah, slow down" response is exactly the sort of attitude that kept us from being able to pull off what South Korea did in the first place.

Re: South Korea Preserved the Open Society and Now Infection Rates Are Falling

#12
Yes, and S.Korea was prepped and ready with tests when the pandemic hit (or shortly thereafter). They tested their country so they knew who had it and who didn't so they could focus efforts. Because testing is hard to get in the U.S. still, the rates are unknown and the only way to prevent it is with social distancing.

Re: South Korea Preserved the Open Society and Now Infection Rates Are Falling

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I heard that South Korea had/has a very large supply of very accurate coronavirus tests. Probably lots of testing is also why their death rates are low (not only hospitalizable cases are counted). Maybe a significant motivator in these decisions is whether or not you can test a lot of people?

A large number of available and accurate tests definitely mattered. But that is not merely enough, someone had to make decisions and coordinate the efforts. I have no idea who that was, but they did a great job.

And they have to do it EARLY. It is useless to compare or even worse suggest these solutions now.

Re: South Korea Preserved the Open Society and Now Infection Rates Are Falling

#14

> Contrast this with developments in the few days since Italy put its entire country under quarantine, active cases have risen from between 5,000 and 6,000 to over 8,500. Stopped reading there, it's not worth my time. It takes up to two weeks to develop any symptoms, so remarks like that are either misguided or intentionally misleading.

Yes. It’s comparing apples to oranges. Basing your argument on “Well South Korea has decreasing number of cases, the US is increasing” is an unfair argument. China’s cases are decreasing as well and they used the martial law options.

Re: South Korea Preserved the Open Society and Now Infection Rates Are Falling

#15
But didn't South Korea too have aggressive location tracking and even made those details public?

Source: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00740-y

So not exactly CCP style lockdown but not a 2019 style free society either. They did make the hard choices necessary to got it in control. But it wasn't as simple as more testing.

Re: South Korea Preserved the Open Society and Now Infection Rates Are Falling

#16
South Korea has got over the hump of death count growth NOT because they are preserving the open society, but because they act swiftly. In fact, they acted in late January. When did U.S. acted upon? U.S. squandered 2 months and wait till WHO declared this is a global pandemic.

And they have tested 140k of the cases now and more, how many cases has U.S. tested so far? Not even close.

What about contact tracing? Have you heard South Korea let confirmed cases leave the hospital with fake name + addresses? Or knowing that family members may have infected and still going out to the public? U.S. has. [1][2]

That's the difference you can maintain a society. Lock-up is the second last resort. And then you will have to follow U.K. to let it be.

[1]: https://people.com/human-interest/nj-woman-with-coronavirus-...

[2]: https://www.kcra.com/article/father-of-missouri-coronavirus-...

Re: South Korea Preserved the Open Society and Now Infection Rates Are Falling

#17

They are coming back again ( https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-kore... ). Numbers are lagging indicators, and the virus grows exponentially. They are going to go up again

It's pretty clear from that very page that SK reached its inflection point somewhere between March 5th and March 8th.

Re: South Korea Preserved the Open Society and Now Infection Rates Are Falling

#18

They are coming back again ( https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-kore... ). Numbers are lagging indicators, and the virus grows exponentially. They are going to go up again

Yeah, this post is nonsense. They won't be able to maintain this low rate indefinetely, unless they shutdown their borders for a long time.

Pandemics are a global problem, requiring a global solution. I find it strange that governments are acting very autistic about the whole ordeal. Each one going with a disconnected strategy (e.g. UK vs SK).

Re: South Korea Preserved the Open Society and Now Infection Rates Are Falling

#19
On a sort of related note, I presented this as an "Ask HN": Why don't [iWatch, Garmin, Fitbit] wearables have a thermometers? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22581703

I know "core temperature" is hard to take at the wrist, but I'm sure _something_ could be done. Wouldn't this benefit entire nations if the technology could be invented to have hyper-local influenza and pandemic forecasting?

Re: South Korea Preserved the Open Society and Now Infection Rates Are Falling

#20

But didn't South Korea too have aggressive location tracking and even made those details public? Source: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00740-y So not exactly CCP style lockdown but not a 2019 style free society either. They did make the hard choices necessary to got it in control. But it wasn't as simple as more testing.

I expected privacy to kill people here ever since tech companies refused to name people on campuses who tested positive when they were among the first cases in the area. Keep your priorities in order folks.
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