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Re: Launch HN: Ophelia (YC W20) – At-home recovery for opioid addiction

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Mattan here (co-founder of Ophelia). We're certainly considering any options that are scientifically backed and evidence-based. Medication-Assisted Treatment (MAT) is the standard in the medical community among addiction specialists and it's proven to be the most effective solution. Kratom is certainly one of the solutions that people trying to overcome opioid addiction are resorting to, but it's unclear whether it's…

Yeah, I see the issue with relying solely on anecdote. Re: safety of kratom itself: AKA ( https://www.americankratom.org/ ) has had independent physicians look into each reported death involving kratom in the US, and all have involved various other substances of abuse, none have been exclusively cause by kratom. When taking powdered leaf itself, OD is pretty much impossible since you end up vomiting. There are many e…

Thanks for your thoughts. I'm interested to see how kratom fits into the longer-term solution. An issue right now is that its formulation is not standard, so there are different brands with different concentrations, which makes it difficult to "prescribe" as medicne. Another problem is that it's sold at smoke shops along with vape pens and paraphernalia, so people who aren't already using opioids are trying it out of curiosity and becoming accidentally dependent.

Re: Launch HN: Ophelia (YC W20) – At-home recovery for opioid addiction

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Congrats on the launch Zack! Possible G and FB have gotten faster and better with their detection of health specific ads, but up until about a year ago, one temporary workaround (while waiting for legitscripts) was to create an Instapage or Leadpages landing page with a subdomain (eg. lp.meetophelia.com) and direct ads there.

Thanks! That's definitely a good suggestion, but there's always the risk they disapprove of something like this and then reject our certification - which would make it not worth it.

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ibogaine ? theres strong anecdotal evidence for this and while it isn't possible in the US, there are many countries in the world besides the US. Have you looked into this?

Yes! MAPS has conducted and collected some really great research around psychedelics and their use in the treatment of things like PTSD and addiction. Specifically, Ibogaine Therapy has shown some real promise around drug addiction [1].

Unfortunately, it's going to be quite a while before any psychedelics are FDA-approved. Right now, MDMA and Psilocybin are both in FDA trials (Phase 3 and Phase 2, respectively) but I think Ibogaine is still quite a ways out.

Interestingly, in terms of your comment about Ibogaine's use outside of the US: other countries besides the US (and Canada) have not really seen quite the same problem in terms of opioid addiction as we have here in the US. This is mostly due to American pharmaceutical companies historically having been really successful at convincing US doctors to prescribe opioid-based pain medication [2], and due to the fact that pain was added as a 5th vital sign in 2001 by the Joint Commission [3]. That isn't to say that other countries haven't had problems with opioid addiction, but it hasn't generally been at nearly the scale of the problem in the US, and other countries have had varying rates of success with solutions that haven't been possible in the US thus far.

[1] https://maps.org/research/ibogaine-therapy

[2] There's a really great John Oliver segment about this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qCKR6wy94U

[3] https://www.medpagetoday.com/publichealthpolicy/publichealth...

Re: Launch HN: Ophelia (YC W20) – At-home recovery for opioid addiction

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Have you considered using kratom to assist with weaning or helping with withdrawl symptoms?

Mattan here (co-founder of Ophelia). We're certainly considering any options that are scientifically backed and evidence-based. Medication-Assisted Treatment (MAT) is the standard in the medical community among addiction specialists and it's proven to be the most effective solution. Kratom is certainly one of the solutions that people trying to overcome opioid addiction are resorting to, but it's unclear whether it's…

This is entirely anecdotal, but I know six people who've quit either heroin or prescription/illicit oxycodone usage via Kratom.

The only real problem to Kratom is that there is no standardization to potency or means of labeling.

The percentage content of the active alkaloids in Kratom (Mitragynine and 7-Hydroxy-Mitragynine) can vary widely, with the stuff sold in gas stations and smoke shops being particularly low-potency or volatile.

The worst that will happen in the event of a Kratom overdose though, is horrendous nausea and vomiting that will make you wretch at the sight of the stuff for a good while.

Another personal anecdote, I have been a daily user for several years and had periods of weeks/months without use due to inconvenient life circumstances (traveling, too busy to buy more, etc) and never felt any ill effects from sudden cessation. Some people online report the opposite, though I suspect this might be largely psychological.

I don't know if you guys are aware of it, but two other overlooked medications for opiate withdrawal/recovery are Baclofen and Loperamide (yes, Immodium, the drugstore constipation medicine).

Immodium is active at the mu-opiod receptor but does not cross the blood-brain barrier, and so is not psychoactive. This can help to ease some of the withdrawals without risk of relapse.

Baclofen is mildly psychoactive but helps with opiate and benzodiazepine or other GABA-ergic drug withdrawals, with much less of the risk factors associated with traditional medications like methadone or buprenorphine.

Re: Launch HN: Ophelia (YC W20) – At-home recovery for opioid addiction

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mattan here (co-founder of Ophelia). We're certainly considering any options that are scientifically backed and evidence-based. Medication-Assisted Treatment (MAT) is the standard in the medical community among addiction specialists and it's proven to be the most effective solution. Kratom is certainly one of the solutions that people trying to overcome opioid addiction are resorting to, but it's unclear whether it's…

This is entirely anecdotal, but I know six people who've quit either heroin or prescription/illicit oxycodone usage via Kratom. The only real problem to Kratom is that there is no standardization to potency or means of labeling. The percentage content of the active alkaloids in Kratom (Mitragynine and 7-Hydroxy-Mitragynine) can vary widely, with the stuff sold in gas stations and smoke shops being particularly low-po…

I second your anecdotes, it's been great within my friend group, especially with a few that were returning from deployment with injury and oxy prescriptions. The withdrawal-type symptoms are something I've also nothing I've experienced, I'm sure it's entirely psychological.

The industry is beginning to mature, with online vendors actively getting their batches tested before sales. Seeing % alkaline contents is a very nice thing to see from them.

Re: Launch HN: Ophelia (YC W20) – At-home recovery for opioid addiction

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I’m going to get needlessly harsh here.

Is this a for-profit company?

Do you think for-profit companies should be able to advertise medical products? Because in my view they shouldn’t, full stop.

So you’re up here telling us that one of your challenges is that you can’t advertise anywhere, and to that I say “good.”

Perhaps you and your 81% white male team/advisors (with zero female/minority people with executive level decision making ability) could answer to some of that.

My condolences to your girlfriend, but this isn’t an issue that a web CRUD platform is going to solve and seeing it laid out in typical Silicon Valley marketing copy is kind of sickening. It reminds me of some of those less than stellar web therapy platforms that seem like another way to Uber-ize the professional therapy workforce into poverty.

Re: Launch HN: Ophelia (YC W20) – At-home recovery for opioid addiction

#19
>> We would love your help figuring out how to get past this bottleneck.

Can you restructure the strategy so that the business can operate with a low (initial) growth rate ? You might find success by partnering with regional public health officials, who would sponsor or subsidize real world advertisement.

I live in Europe and last time I was in NY the subway was full of public health billboards encouraging people to carry naxalone.

Maybe you can convince one official or non profit somewhere to subsidize those billboards for you. You're not only solving a personal problem for the addicted, your solving a societal problem. I imagine that if you can show efficacy in one or two pilot regions, you'll have an easy time partnering with other ones / raising money (maybe non vc) / funding acquisition yourself.

My $0.02, hope it helps and good luck, nice to see startups doing important things.

Re: Launch HN: Ophelia (YC W20) – At-home recovery for opioid addiction

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is entirely anecdotal, but I know six people who've quit either heroin or prescription/illicit oxycodone usage via Kratom. The only real problem to Kratom is that there is no standardization to potency or means of labeling. The percentage content of the active alkaloids in Kratom (Mitragynine and 7-Hydroxy-Mitragynine) can vary widely, with the stuff sold in gas stations and smoke shops being particularly low-po…

I second your anecdotes, it's been great within my friend group, especially with a few that were returning from deployment with injury and oxy prescriptions. The withdrawal-type symptoms are something I've also nothing I've experienced, I'm sure it's entirely psychological. The industry is beginning to mature, with online vendors actively getting their batches tested before sales. Seeing % alkaline contents is a very…

Like most things on the internet, Reddit has a great community for this haha. But yeah, it's been really cool to see how professional and business-like the industry has come in the past few years.

It's fairly expected for a serious operation to provide analytical data on alkaloid content and/or employ dedicated quality control personnel these days.

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