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Italy to close all stores apart from food shops and pharmacies

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Re: Italy to close all stores apart from food shops and pharmacies

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Post by daboross »

comboy wrote: post #6
baggy_trough wrote: post #2

The faster your community does the same, the more people will live.

I don't understand it. Your refrigerator breaks, something goes wrong with your sink, how forcing shops to close is helping? I could understand maybe shops that are selling clothes, but so many things depend on each other. You need working appliances to be able to cook for yourself and keep proper hygiene.

This seems to me to be mainly aimed at restaurants and department stores. For working applications, isn't that usually dealt with via in-home repair anyways? I don't know many people who would go to a store to buy a new appliance if it breaks, nor many people who would know how to buy parts and fix it themselves.

Re: Italy to close all stores apart from food shops and pharmacies

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Post by saagarjha »

bpodgursky wrote: post #3

It's funny how the only global crisis deemed worth shutting down society over is the one that impacts 65+ year olds. Global warming, pension underfunding, unsustainable healthcare, and education costs don't count, because the crisis is 15 years away (eg after they die). Crippling the global economy (and shutting down schools!!!) to stop COVID-19 hurts the future of 15-35 year olds the worst. But any reform is STILL g…

As someone in the group you mentioned and is directly impacted (college student), I’m fine with closing stuff down if it stops people from literally dying.

Re: Italy to close all stores apart from food shops and pharmacies

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

comboy wrote: post #6
baggy_trough wrote: post #2

The faster your community does the same, the more people will live.

I don't understand it. Your refrigerator breaks, something goes wrong with your sink, how forcing shops to close is helping? I could understand maybe shops that are selling clothes, but so many things depend on each other. You need working appliances to be able to cook for yourself and keep proper hygiene.

One person being inconvenienced out of thousands is better than thousands being infected out of millions, and tens or hundreds of dead or permanently damaged.

Re: Italy to close all stores apart from food shops and pharmacies

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Post by 3JPLW »

baggy_trough wrote: post #2

The faster your community does the same, the more people will live.

Not sure why this is getting downvoted. We're all on approximately the same exponential trend as Italy, just a few days behind. The US, for example, is looking to be 11 days behind. Do nothing and we'll end up where they are now.

https://twitter.com/EcolEpig/status/1237430984678703104

Re: Italy to close all stores apart from food shops and pharmacies

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Post by the-pigeon »

dugditches wrote: post #9
bpodgursky wrote: post #3

It's funny how the only global crisis deemed worth shutting down society over is the one that impacts 65+ year olds. Global warming, pension underfunding, unsustainable healthcare, and education costs don't count, because the crisis is 15 years away (eg after they die). Crippling the global economy (and shutting down schools!!!) to stop COVID-19 hurts the future of 15-35 year olds the worst. But any reform is STILL g…

So shutting down the schools to stop the spread, so children don't spread it to their older family members will hurt youth the worst? A lot of issues with shutting down schools is in regards to childcare and food(meal programs) in the United States. Not their 'futures'.

And to expand on this.

This is a wildfire. Shutting things down slows the fire's movement which buys time to fully track it and isolate only the affected individuals.

Specific to Italy, their hospitals are already past the breaking point in many areas. So people that would be easy to treat with medical resources are dying because the resources are exhausted. By stopping the immediate spread by isolating everyone their hospitals can get to a stable point in a few weeks.

Re: Italy to close all stores apart from food shops and pharmacies

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Post by gpm »

daboross wrote: post #11
comboy wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand it. Your refrigerator breaks, something goes wrong with your sink, how forcing shops to close is helping? I could understand maybe shops that are selling clothes, but so many things depend on each other. You need working appliances to be able to cook for yourself and keep proper hygiene.

This seems to me to be mainly aimed at restaurants and department stores. For working applications, isn't that usually dealt with via in-home repair anyways? I don't know many people who would go to a store to buy a new appliance if it breaks, nor many people who would know how to buy parts and fix it themselves.

Contractors often buy some of their supplies in stores...

And depending on how badly something broke you do replace it. How many people do you know with 50 year old fridges?

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