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What's it like getting your DNA results back from 23andMe

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Re: What's it like getting your DNA results back from 23andMe

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I've done 23andMe as well. If anyone's curious I'm happy to answer questions. Without prompting, I don't have much to add other than that the relative finder doesn't seem to work quite as well as I'd hoped. I do have one distant cousin on 23andMe, and it did find her, but assigned higher confidence/probability/whatever to a few tens of people who mostly seem not to be cousins. This might not be their fault - I imagin…

I've had better luck with relative finder as well. My very first contact was able to trace his great-great-grandparents roots to a village that is only 30 minutes away or so from my Dad's ancestor's town. This person is marked as a 5th cousin, so I'd consider that pretty compelling.

Regarding your "mostly seem not to be cousins" comment, I think people have an overly narrow definition of cousins where 23andme has a much more strict genetic definition. If you look at their FAQ, they claim that it's fairly accurate that if someone is marked as a relative, that's a relative. The degree of relation may be off by a generation or two, but it's there.

I find it interesting how many people, even those who sign up for the service and enable visibility on relative finder, heck, even those who fill out their profiles with surnames and extra information, either don't respond to contact requests or entirely dismiss relations dubbed by the system "likely 3rd cousin" as "impossible".

At the 6th, 5th, and even 4th cousin levels, especially going into the past with typically large families, we are talking about fairly large networks of people. I see a lot of folks say things like "I can trace my roots back 10 generations", when they really just mean one single paternal line, for example. How can you be sure that someone didn't jump in the hay with someone else in secret that one summer in 1807, or that some forgotten sister of a great-great-grandparent went off to America for 5 years before returning to her homeland, etc? With such large numbers of people, the likeliness of having huge numbers of cousins goes way up.

For example, look how many hops it takes to get to your 4th cousin:

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=4th+cousin

Can we all vouch for all the surnames, brothers and sisters, grandparents, great-grandparents, etc in a relation even as "close" as this?

Re: What's it like getting your DNA results back from 23andMe

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Combining two recent HN discussions here - this one, and one yesterday on the difficulty in getting insurance in the US (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2247560)

What are the consequences (immediate, or further down the track), not so much of using a service like 23andMe (I imagine it will be a fairly standard part of medical testing in X generations) but of posting on your blog that you're (to paraphrase) 1.90x as likely to contract Parkinson's?

Re: What's it like getting your DNA results back from 23andMe

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I've done 23andMe as well. If anyone's curious I'm happy to answer questions. Without prompting, I don't have much to add other than that the relative finder doesn't seem to work quite as well as I'd hoped. I do have one distant cousin on 23andMe, and it did find her, but assigned higher confidence/probability/whatever to a few tens of people who mostly seem not to be cousins. This might not be their fault - I imagin…

I had better luck with my relative finder. I find out I was related to a few people and got in touch with them. One of these cousins is one of the most famous people in America, but I cannot disclose any other information as I respect their desire for privacy. Overall, the experience has provided me with plenty of infotainment. Well worth the $99 I paid.

I wonder if your famous relative regrets putting his genome on 23andMe.

Re: What's it like getting your DNA results back from 23andMe

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I'm glad I did it, and the results didn't freak me out/scare me or lead to any massive revelations. For the $100 I paid, it was worth it. For the $500 that they normally charge, I felt it was too much. The stuff about family origin/history was pretty boring for me and just confirmed that I'm as white/boring as they come. Both lines from Europe? You don't say... But for someone who doesn't know that they are 100% Euro…

The health results didn't freak me out either (for the most part, I got lucky with nothing unexpected or terrible).

On the other hand, I like yourself also thought I had a "boring white Polish as far back as anyone can remember" background. Instead, I got some rather awesome results on the ancestry front that changed a lot of what I know about my background.

The results in both haplogroups are interesting (if a bit broad) in their own right, but what really blew my mind was the sheer numbers of very close cousins I have amongst "neighboring" or not-so-neighboring ethnicities/religions/countries. There's a definite history in my family of "running away from the Russians", and so it's fascinating to find out just how much of those Russians (and other people round the 'Bloc) are in fact directly related to me by only a couple generations.

Re: What's it like getting your DNA results back from 23andMe

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EDIT for history: [The original comment was by edw##, regarding the strength of his ancestor's sperm. It wasn't a bad post, I just felt it was inaccurate/confusing.]

Though poetic, that's not at all how you should look at it.

Those sperm carry the same DNA. That DNA is the pattern your proteins are crafted with. That pattern (in conjunction with the environment you live in) is what determines how "sturdy" you are. You are not that sperm.

Think of your DNA as the bash program, and the ENV variables as a sort of control flow (like in many programs). The end result of the computation is you.

The "strength" of your father's (and forefathers') sperm is important, sure, but from an evolutionary perspective. Those 100,000,000 sperm were, for all intents and purposes, the same.

23andme isn't about telling you what you already know–though that's certainly an interesting confirmation–it's about telling you what you don't know. Or at least giving you an idea about it, and the raw data that largely determines how you turned out (given your env vars).

Re: What's it like getting your DNA results back from 23andMe

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Combining two recent HN discussions here - this one, and one yesterday on the difficulty in getting insurance in the US ( http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2247560 ) What are the consequences (immediate, or further down the track), not so much of using a service like 23andMe (I imagine it will be a fairly standard part of medical testing in X generations) but of posting on your blog that you're (to paraphrase) 1.90…

One simple immediate consequence may be that you cannot answer a question like "do you have any reason to believe that you may be at risk for XYZ" anymore without potentially having to rely on a result that may or may not have statistical significance -- or which you may have misunderstood. A lot of 23andme reports are in the form of "if you are east asian and have the following genotype for SNP rsXXXXXX, you have a 3% chance of developing condition XYZ". Personal genomics services like 23andme are going out there and saying that SNPs are pretty reliable, but the reality for some conditions and traits may still be fuzzy as more data comes in. There may be as-yet undiscovered SNPs that have a bigger effect on your cancer risk than the ones their v3 chip happens to cover, for example, and just having a 1 or even a dozen SNPs may not be enough for a clear picture. On the other hand, an insurance company might find it risky enough to deny you coverage. Nobody knows how that will shake out.

In the future, if a given insurance provider knows you have purchased a service like this, they also can then figure out which SNPs you know your genotypes for (it would be fairly trivial for any insurance company to find out which 950,000 or so SNPs 23andme tests for), and can then craft a survey form asking about these specific traits.

Many people will likely still try the service anyway because they'd rather know, pro-actively address certain issues, and risk the insurance game, than not know at all.

[EDIT: Apologies for not having read your question all that clearly. Just assume the above applies to "admitting you've used the service in public"]

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