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Why Svelte is our choice for a large web project

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Re: Why Svelte is our choice for a large web project

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Post by leadingthenet »

TekMol wrote: post #6

I have switched to pure HTML/CSS/Javascript for frontend. And I am very happy with it. I sometimes use external libraries. For example handlebars if I want to template something clientside. But no more frameworks. I think pure Javascript is plenty enough these days. For those who can't live without a framework: What would you miss?

Svelte isn’t reaaaally a framework in the way React is, although they do share some commonalities.

It’s pretty innovative in that it’s not really big JS bundle, but more of a compiler for what is essentially quite vanilla JS code. In the end, if you use Svelte, then your final product will be pure HTML/CSS/JS.

I love it because it lets me bundle logically related markup, styling, AND javascript in the same .svelte file. Plus, it’s blazing fast.

Re: Why Svelte is our choice for a large web project

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Post by sergiotapia »

_prototype_ wrote: post #9

Svelte is absolute trash. It actively encourages mutability, which is a one way avenue to bugs bugs and more bugs. ie, shit like this is all over the official documentation: let mutable = 1; function f1() { onMount(() => { mutable = /* do some complex shit here */ }); } function f2() { onMount(() => { mutable = /* do some complex shit here */ }); } Complete non-deterministic state changes. Absolutely abhorrent stuff.…

I can't believe people use redux in any capacity but here we are.

Re: Why Svelte is our choice for a large web project

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Post by mekane8 »

TekMol wrote: post #6

I have switched to pure HTML/CSS/Javascript for frontend. And I am very happy with it. I sometimes use external libraries. For example handlebars if I want to template something clientside. But no more frameworks. I think pure Javascript is plenty enough these days. For those who can't live without a framework: What would you miss?

I'm in a similar state of mind as you. Any time I start a web project now I just write vanilla JS and none of my hobby projects has yet to reach a point where I wanted a framework. There have been a couple times, particularly dealing with interactive forms, that I found myself writing a lot of the same code over and over again. I think this would be the first place I would start to build my own little framework. But it hasn't yet made me want to introduce React or Angular to the project. Especially when I consider the hours of free time that I would spend on setup rather than building the actual project itself.

Re: Why Svelte is our choice for a large web project

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Post by yohannparis »

_prototype_ wrote: post #9

Svelte is absolute trash. It actively encourages mutability, which is a one way avenue to bugs bugs and more bugs. ie, shit like this is all over the official documentation: let mutable = 1; function f1() { onMount(() => { mutable = /* do some complex shit here */ }); } function f2() { onMount(() => { mutable = /* do some complex shit here */ }); } Complete non-deterministic state changes. Absolutely abhorrent stuff.…

What a civilized way to express your opinion.

Re: Why Svelte is our choice for a large web project

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Post by overtowed »

Author here, just wanted to make a note. This isn't written to hype a battle in the holy war. Frontend frameworks are a positive sum game! Svelte has no monopoly on the compiler paradigm either. Just like I think React is worth learning for the mental model it imparts, where UI is a (pure) function of state, I think the frontend framework-as-compiler paradigm is worth understanding. We're going to see a lot more of it because the tradeoffs are fantastic, to where it'll be a boring talking point before we know it.

Re: Why Svelte is our choice for a large web project

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Post by Jasper_ »

_prototype_ wrote: post #9

Svelte is absolute trash. It actively encourages mutability, which is a one way avenue to bugs bugs and more bugs. ie, shit like this is all over the official documentation: let mutable = 1; function f1() { onMount(() => { mutable = /* do some complex shit here */ }); } function f2() { onMount(() => { mutable = /* do some complex shit here */ }); } Complete non-deterministic state changes. Absolutely abhorrent stuff.…

What's wrong with mutability?

Re: Why Svelte is our choice for a large web project

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Post by finchisko »

Shameless plug. I've choosen svelte for webextension that will be allow you to record, replay and modify requests on the fly. I've choosen Svelte, because 1. courisity and 2. it can compile to webcomponents and also reference webcomponents in normal svelte components. I discarded the webcompoments for everything idea, mostly because clunky passing and registering events with svelte (svelte issue). There few thing that needs to be polished, like typescript support and this events handling with webcomponents, but overall, very satisfied with svelte so far (as former React guy).

Re: Why Svelte is our choice for a large web project

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Post by dang »

_prototype_ wrote: post #9

Svelte is absolute trash. It actively encourages mutability, which is a one way avenue to bugs bugs and more bugs. ie, shit like this is all over the official documentation: let mutable = 1; function f1() { onMount(() => { mutable = /* do some complex shit here */ }); } function f2() { onMount(() => { mutable = /* do some complex shit here */ }); } Complete non-deterministic state changes. Absolutely abhorrent stuff.…

Hey, could you please stop posting in the flamewar style to HN? I'm sure you have a point here, but it gets lost in the inverse-shit-sandwich thing (flames on the outside, point on the inside).

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the spirit of this site more to heart, we'd be grateful. The idea is curious conversation, and you'll be better able to persuade others about mutability that way anyhow.

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