Is it me, or does this article basically romanticize abusing workers and glorifies running projects without a plan, just with a goal?
AFAIK they work in shifts, non-stop; crazy hours & weekend is irrelevant in this context.
Elon Musk’s plan to build one Starship a week and settle Mars
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#12Elon Musk is beyond obsessed with reaching Mars. I feel bad for his employees
They can always leave.
I'd presume that many of them are on-board in the first place because they're engaged by the idea.
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#13Is it me, or does this article basically romanticize abusing workers and glorifies running projects without a plan, just with a goal?
I've noticed in my life, over the last 20 years, a strong correlation between companies being successful, which means, making money so they can keep paying their employees, and concerns with those companies making their employees work too hard or for too little.
Maybe this problem can be solved, by changing the system, but unless you are in a situation where you can avoid competition, until the system is changed companies may have to do some degree of hard work to survive.
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#14Is it me, or does this article basically romanticize abusing workers and glorifies running projects without a plan, just with a goal?
Most Great Man narratives do.
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#15Elon Musk is beyond obsessed with reaching Mars. I feel bad for his employees
They can always leave. I'd presume that many of them are on-board in the first place because they're engaged by the idea.
Right, particularly, engineers who can build space stations definitely have other employment options.
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#16Is it me, or does this article basically romanticize abusing workers and glorifies running projects without a plan, just with a goal?
I've noticed in my life, over the last 20 years, a strong correlation between companies being successful, which means, making money so they can keep paying their employees, and concerns with those companies making their employees work too hard or for too little. Maybe this problem can be solved, by changing the system, but unless you are in a situation where you can avoid competition, until the system is changed comp…
You require a significant amount of equity and board seats assigned to employees or their representatives, so they share in the gains and have control over the direction of the org.
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#17This Musk quote from the article resonated with me: > There’s plenty of forgiveness if you pass me the buck. There is no forgiveness if you don’t.
Next week, Musks inbox is flooded with "Weld 28467 is looking slightly bubbly. It'll probably be okay, but wanted to pass the buck to you".
That was my first thought as well - how does the spiritus movens behind both Tesla and SpaceX have the bandwidth to pull off that level of (micro)management?
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#18I don't know about the Starship a week but he definitely fulfils his hyperbolic bullshit per day quota.
And it's mostly "our" fault, "we" let him getaway with so much shit ( from market manipulation to criminal workplace offences ) because he entertains our egos with the promise of getting all our problems solved ( which is ridiculous at so many levels ).
OK let's pretend Elon builds one Starship a week, at which cost and for what? the promise of "immense riches in the New World?". Why are these people slaving away to entertain a rich boy's wet dream?
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
They can always leave. I'd presume that many of them are on-board in the first place because they're engaged by the idea.
Right, particularly, engineers who can build space stations definitely have other employment options.
My guess is that an engineer who can build space stations has every employment option in his field that he could wish for. Wave with SpaceX's employer's reference letter and get the job, basically.
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#20Elon Musk is beyond obsessed with reaching Mars. I feel bad for his employees
They can always leave. I'd presume that many of them are on-board in the first place because they're engaged by the idea.
I suspect we have a few groups. Those who drank the kool-aid and liked it. Those who used to believe in it but after abuse are now stuck in an endless cycle where they have no time for job searches. And those that never drank the kool-aid and will leave after getting time on their resume.
It takes a great mix of super smarts and super stupid to work there.