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The Two Middle Classes

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Re: The Two Middle Classes

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I saw the title and really wanted to like this article, but I have to say I got lost in the flowery language and don't really get the point.

Basically, it's a long-winded way of dividing the middle class into white-collar and blue-collar and pointing out that blue-collar has taken it in the shorts and is angry. It's not wrong. But, as always, it projects nothing actionable . What does that blue-collar cohort DO to regain economic well-being?

While Brahmins are "white-collar" pretty much by definition, Vaishyas/yeomanry clearly encompasses both blue-collar and white-collar groups. So I don't think the traditional "blue- vs. white-collar" distinction is quite the same thing as what this article is about.

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I saw the title and really wanted to like this article, but I have to say I got lost in the flowery language and don't really get the point.

I think it would be close to how people in the clerisy (well payed employees with a secure job) take less risk and therefore are able to support left wing measures. If the economy as a whole crashes they stand to lose little or nothing at all. Meanwhile, if the "main street shop owners" take similar risks ins similar situations they not only stand to lose their business, but their current and future livelihood. This makes them conservative and against progressive policy.

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This is a publication with a long history of presenting both interesting and sloppy thinking, sometimes in the same article. It tends to value libertarian (or -ish) takes relatively uncritically, and have some bizarre obsessions (by which I mean, topics taken up with a frequency all out of proportion to any impact).

That isn't to say they aren't worth reading, but that this article is flawed in a characteristic way.

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This article is a bit confused. It pits the left and right middle classes against each other and also against the oligarchy, and then brings up how Trump stands against the left middle class without mentioning how much he represents and supports the oligarchy that systematically takes advantage of both the right and the left.

It also tries to cast the left middle class as allies of the oligarchy by bringing populist green energy fearmongering, without mentioning that it is in fact fossil fuels that a) enrich and entrench the oligarchy, and b) reinforce centralized infrastructure tendencies over distributed ones. Lots of communities have space for renewable energy generation on-site; almost no communities could produce their own fossil fuels.

Finally, scarcity drives most of the forces that oligarchs benefit from, so naturally the oligarchy wants us to stay on fossil fuels. Renewables are the populist, conservative solution that’s better for families and communities than for corporations, but the mega-rich right-wing fossil fuel magnates have fooled their poorer and less-educated right-wing compatriots into thinking otherwise.

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I saw the title and really wanted to like this article, but I have to say I got lost in the flowery language and don't really get the point.

The last 2,000 years has seen countless civilisations rise and fall; so many and of such complexity it is basically impossible to learn all the lessons they have to teach about prosperity. Gotta spend a lot of time relearning old lessons and reorganising how we expect the thing to run.

This article is to represent the faction of people (not named, I'll call them Quilletians) who think that power and influence resting with small businesses and normal-but-wealthy families (identified as middle class yeomanry) is likely the secret sauce of why English-speaking countries have done so well so far.

The thesis here is that the yeomanry are being opposed by government or oligarchic policy and their perspective is being mitigated by a group of people called the 'clerisy'. The article is demarcating who this clerisy are and aren't so that there is a common language for Quilletians to work out what to think and then do about them.

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It's an interesting and somewhat useful take on things, but like a dog wearing pants, things just don't seem to fit very well. First, I do think it's ridiculous that he takes it as a given that Oligarchs favour climate policy. Yes, I can see how someone can point to Musk and .... I dunno Al Gore? and try to make the point, but for every Musk-a-like, there are many dozens of rich people very deeply vested in the fossi…

> First, I do think it's ridiculous that he takes it as a given that Oligarchs favour climate policy.

> I don't think any serious survey of the financial interests of the global superrich will support this view.

There is a subtlety here - one possible outcome is oligarchs cynically favouring climate policy while simultaneously having deep vested interests in fossil fuels.

The article isn't saying that the oligarchs want to do anything about climate change; the idea is that they are very keen on the principle of using centralised power to control others and will attach the things they want controlled to climate policies as implemented.

If I owned an oil company then backbreaking legislation that means nobody can start a new oil company would be strategically interesting; for example. Big companies don't fight regulation tooth and nail. They accept the regulation then lobby for loopholes that favour them and restrictions that disadvantage competition.

It is, in fact, rare to see a corporation moving to deregulate industries. They often fight changes, but rarely organise to reverse reverse things once they are in compliance with new rules.

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It's an interesting and somewhat useful take on things, but like a dog wearing pants, things just don't seem to fit very well. First, I do think it's ridiculous that he takes it as a given that Oligarchs favour climate policy. Yes, I can see how someone can point to Musk and .... I dunno Al Gore? and try to make the point, but for every Musk-a-like, there are many dozens of rich people very deeply vested in the fossi…

You are assuming the "yeomanry" mainly consists of the old, but I think that's an overly narrow and basically false assumption. The participants in the yellow vest protests in France - largely members of "yeomanry" I would think - are as much Gen X and Millenial as they are Baby Boomers.

As for the oligarchs, there are certainly wealthy individuals entrenched in the traditional fossil fuel industries, but the number of these individuals is dwarfed by the oligarchs in Media, Finance, Government, Technology etc, who are much farther removed both in business and culture from traditional modes of energy production and as such are able to take and advocate for radical positions on environmental policy without regard to the consequences for the "yeomanry".

This story plays out across the spectrum of issues that society contends with today. In general, sometimes for the same and sometimes for different reasons, elites in the corporate world and also members of the "clerisy" both desire a breakdown of traditional society to further their own agendas. In the case of the former that agenda is defined by profit seeking and in the case of the latter it is defined by philosophical and social beliefs.

So you see, I think while this piece is vague and steps on its own toes at points, it is addressing a real conflict that exists and is growing in contemporary society.

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The "class of public intellectuals" that Quillete likens to the Second Estate largely parallels the formation of the nomenklatura in the Soviet Union:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomenklatura

A more cynical, but illuminating, depiction of the way this class came to be recognized and criticized was given in an old New Yorker article about why Americans don't like Hillary Clinton -- from 1996:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1996/02/26/hating-hillary

>In the sixties and seventies, neoconservatives liked to talk about the ascent of “the New Class,” consisting of highly educated professionals who were, in Norman Podhoretz’s words, “making a serious bid to dislodge and replace the business and commercial class which had on the whole dominated the country for nearly a century.” Podhoretz ascribes to Irving Kristol (father of William) the insight that the New Class “represented itself as concerned only with the general good, the good of others (especially the poor and the blacks), but what it really wanted was to aggrandize its own power.” As the only First Lady thus far to have come from its ranks, Hillary Clinton has suffered the fluctuating fortunes of the New Class itself. Among her peers, you’ll hear, variously expressed, a very basic sentiment: finally, a First Lady who’s one of us. “It was just as if we’d known each other all our lives,” says Carly Simon, who has spent time at Martha’s Vineyard with the First Lady; when Hillary admired a naïve Haitian painting in Simon’s house, Simon made a present of it. “It was an easy, Ivy League kind of camaraderie. Like, ‘You went to Wellesley? Oh, I went to Sarah Lawrence.’ And, ‘Oh, you like that kind of art? I like that kind of art.’ ” But if you do not feel part of that “us”—if, indeed, the very idea of Haitian folk art on the Vineyard makes you shift uneasily—you may feel the tug of an answering sentiment: that this First Lady is one of them.

Both this Quillette piece and the New Yorker article are presaged and, in my opinion, upstaged by Hayek's 1960 diatribe "The Intellectuals and Socialism":

https://mises-media.s3.amazonaws.com/Intellectuals%20and%20S...

Hayek's piece seems to me to be the founding treatise of modern libertarianism, with regard to the parts that are valuable at least. The central hypocrisy of modern liberalism is the way in which it serves the selfish interests of its most powerful proponents -- the managerial state -- while supposing to be egalitarian. Unfortunately, Hayek himself simply became increasingly cynical and decreasingly coherent towards the end of his life, after publishing his most famous works from a more moderate perspective, so we didn't get to hear a conclusion to this train of thought.

It's not obvious how to overcome this limitation; all ideologies need a base of support, and people on average tend to be selfish enough that we notice it. Andrew Yang's proposal to give citizens money earmarked for political donations ("Democracy Dollars") seems, to me, the most practical step currently available towards making politics more participatory and less hierarchical: it can foster the growth of competition among political campaigns for ordinary people's support with floating prices, reminiscent of a system we usually think of as reliable. Innovation in politics is already happening (c.f. Cambridge Analytica) and the IP is being monetized, but only a few people are currently allowed to play.

Re: The Two Middle Classes

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This essay is a total mess. This “neo-clerisy” thing to me smacks of tribalism dressed up, ironically, as public intellectualism. It’s a fractal of cognitive dissonance
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