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HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus vs. Gen10 Hardware Overview

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Re: HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus vs. Gen10 Hardware Overview

#11
post #5

Why do server hardware need to look cool? Do ppl buy hardware based on the looks!? So many metal cases with razer sharp corners to cut yourself on, making it weight a ton. And screws. And more compartments, like a Russian doll. Making it cost a ton. All you need is a wireframe made in wood or plastic, a bare board, and a fan.

> All you need is a wireframe made in wood or plastic

Wood burns, plastic melts. When you have a bunch of racks full of a bunch of servers undrler heavy load, managing the environmental temperature of the datacenter is very important.

Re: HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus vs. Gen10 Hardware Overview

#12
post #10

This absolutely needs a way to add an SSD for OS and fast storage, so the 4 3.5" slots can be used for a ZFS stripped mirror (Raid10-like).

Maybe not as ideal as you want, but I typically just stick in a USB drive.

It's not like the OS drive needs the performance when the vast majority of your data is written to ZFS.

Re: HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus vs. Gen10 Hardware Overview

#13
post #5

Why do server hardware need to look cool? Do ppl buy hardware based on the looks!? So many metal cases with razer sharp corners to cut yourself on, making it weight a ton. And screws. And more compartments, like a Russian doll. Making it cost a ton. All you need is a wireframe made in wood or plastic, a bare board, and a fan.

Well,

1) Even water-cooled equipment uses forced air cooling to cool the water heat exchanger (unless you happen to own water rights to a river, in which case we have a different discussion). A lot of the highest mark-up goes to bespoke on-prem data centers (e.g. hospitals, labs) where the air isn't necessarily cleaned to spec. I would therefore think you want some stuff between the air and the CPU heat exchanger to force the air around some turns to knock some of the debris out of the air. So a grill makes sense.

2) Most buyers are buying single units, but most units are sold to buyers buying them in bulk, with a service contract.

3) If you're making a grill, it's gotta look like something.

4) You want something that approaches a consistent theme for your accessories: monitors, keyboards, mice, printers, etc. Even without the logos, you can match the HP mouse to the HP keyboard and HP server. Same for Dell, Lenovo, etc.

5) I find the big manufacturers try to slowly evolve their design over the years. You can walk into a place (hospital, power plant, ship, whatever) and quickly identify it as a Dell shop or an HP shop.

6) Electric discharge machining makes it relatively easy to go from CAD drawing to ready-for-production molds.

7) You need some low-risk projects for your young mechanical engineers.

8) At scale, your custom EDM-mold plastic grill may be cheaper than stock filters of sufficiently similar performance.

8) Branding matters.

Re: HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus vs. Gen10 Hardware Overview

#14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't need performance, I need quiet operation and ECC support. I'm curious: are you going to put this under your desk?

Actually I'm going to put it into my closet along with the rest of "home equipment" (UPS, GPON modem, switch, landline phone). Noise will disturb me at night, as I'm sleeping not far enough from there. I managed to configure Gen 8 to be quiet enough with some weird tricks (it was not by default). Basically I need for fan noise to be on par with HDD noise.

Downclock/throttle/disable hyperthreads/etc in BIOS?

Re: HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus vs. Gen10 Hardware Overview

#16
post #9

Since it is now an intel, does it come with an integrated backdoor like the other "server-grade" hardware?

To be fair, AMD also has that "integrated backdoor" for the sake of argument, called Platform Security Processor, sharing acronym with extremely popular game console just like Intel ME does with extremely often mentioned Input Method Editor(s).

Re: HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus vs. Gen10 Hardware Overview

#17
post #10

This absolutely needs a way to add an SSD for OS and fast storage, so the 4 3.5" slots can be used for a ZFS stripped mirror (Raid10-like).

You should be able to stick an M.2 adapter card in the PCIe riser

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07SQZBSCN

Re: HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus vs. Gen10 Hardware Overview

#18
post #7

It's sad that we'll be losing the dvd bay. Using an additional sad drive for as boot disk in there and all the four drives for storage was ideal.

"That optical bay was often used with an extra SSD. While the Gen10 had an extra fifth internal SATA port and a Molex power connector which could be used to add an extra SSD, the Gen10 plus does not have these features. We already gave the feedback to HPE’s product team and I think we have a solution that we will show in the full review we will publish for the MicroServer Gen10+."

Hopefully there's still a way.

Re: HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus vs. Gen10 Hardware Overview

#19
I've been thinking about getting a microserver. I already have a Synology NAS but I'd like something a bit more powerful to host Nextclound and a couple apps.

The Gen8 Microservers seemed neat, but they are getting old and rarer on eBay. Gen10 seems like a step back performance and feature wise.

With ILO not available (or a $100 upgrade), what is the benefit for a home / small business / enthusiast user of a Microserver vs. a custom built system? I could probably build a Ryzen based PC with a better performance / price ratio, just minus the ILO, and it's probably going to be quieter. Any optinions on this?

Re: HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus vs. Gen10 Hardware Overview

#20
post #10

This absolutely needs a way to add an SSD for OS and fast storage, so the 4 3.5" slots can be used for a ZFS stripped mirror (Raid10-like).

Would be even better if they had the option of 8x 2.5" slots and NBase-T or 10Gbps Ethernet. The old Gen 10 was way too large, this one I could replace my Synology with it running FreeNAS.
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