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Assange Hearing Day 2

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Post by 101404 »

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #3

> Julian had twice been stripped naked and searched, eleven times been handcuffed, and five times been locked up in different holding cells. On top of this, all of his court documents had been taken from him by the prison authorities, including privileged communications between his lawyers and himself, and he had been left with no ability to prepare to participate in today’s proceedings. Still barely any mention of t…

An interesting learning was, how to most effectively frame a person if you want them to lose public support.

They first did the "rapist" framing. Making up a case that never existed and repeating it in the media all the time. Surprisingly, that didn't work as effectivity as expected.

So they switched the framing from "rapist" to "right wing". That seems to have achieved the intended outcome with many previous supporters.

Re: Assange Hearing Day 2

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Post by Tomte »

ganzuul wrote: post #9

This is horrifying. As a European I'm afraid to even visit the USA. I'd expect this from some third world hellhole but not from a country which professes to have the rule of law.

The article is about England...

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Post by mcv »

101404 wrote: post #11
AndyMcConachie wrote: post #3

> Julian had twice been stripped naked and searched, eleven times been handcuffed, and five times been locked up in different holding cells. On top of this, all of his court documents had been taken from him by the prison authorities, including privileged communications between his lawyers and himself, and he had been left with no ability to prepare to participate in today’s proceedings. Still barely any mention of t…

An interesting learning was, how to most effectively frame a person if you want them to lose public support. They first did the "rapist" framing. Making up a case that never existed and repeating it in the media all the time. Surprisingly, that didn't work as effectivity as expected. So they switched the framing from "rapist" to "right wing". That seems to have achieved the intended outcome with many previous support…

These are not things that "they" did, though. They're things that "he" did.

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Post by bilekas »

This is always going to happen when you go about doing what he did in such a flamboyant way.

I agree that he was by no means an angel, but I also see the reasons why the governments want to set an example. People have this idea that it's a terrible thing if their governments have secrets.. It's normal..

That doesn't justify this treatment of him. By any means, one would think he would be treated well in public.

> Is Assange the victim of torture?

It looks as though he's being made an example of. If thats right or wrong is anyones guess, but it doesn't make anyone confortable.

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Post by cryptonym »

EliRivers wrote: post #2

Consider the source, right? Always ask ourselves "What does this source, this reporter, this organisation, want us to think?" That doesn't mean that we have to ignore everything they say; it just becomes us to know what the source's own agenda is, to better arm ourselves. Craig Murray's website suggests he is, for example, a credulous believer of Russian explanations for events. He does on occasion correct himself (s…

My own belief: it's unfair to attack his credibility without providing anything about the content of this post.

If something is not accurate here, please let us know, that would be valuable.

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Post by microcolonel »

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #3

> Julian had twice been stripped naked and searched, eleven times been handcuffed, and five times been locked up in different holding cells. On top of this, all of his court documents had been taken from him by the prison authorities, including privileged communications between his lawyers and himself, and he had been left with no ability to prepare to participate in today’s proceedings. Still barely any mention of t…

That trial may not be unlawful in the U.K. the way it would be in the U.S.

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Post by fit2rule »

Tomte wrote: post #12
ganzuul wrote: post #9

This is horrifying. As a European I'm afraid to even visit the USA. I'd expect this from some third world hellhole but not from a country which professes to have the rule of law.

The article is about England...

I think it goes without saying that the UK is becoming less and less the kind of place that any freedom-loving person would want to visit. Living in Europe, I am aware of a number of people who have decided to have nothing more to do with the place, and these are wealthy, educated, business leaders.

I can't imagine where this is going to lead if Assange is not freed as a result of these proceedings. We are watching the West eat itself.

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Post by use-net »

tyingq wrote: post #6
AndyMcConachie wrote: post #3

> Julian had twice been stripped naked and searched, eleven times been handcuffed, and five times been locked up in different holding cells. On top of this, all of his court documents had been taken from him by the prison authorities, including privileged communications between his lawyers and himself, and he had been left with no ability to prepare to participate in today’s proceedings. Still barely any mention of t…

It won't make the US press, because all of that is a pretty typical US jail experience, sadly.

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