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FCC forced by court to ask the public again for feedback on net neutrality

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Re: FCC forced by court to ask the public again for feedback on net neutrality

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Post by duckMuppet »

Alupis wrote: post #10
silverreads wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

.org is getting sold, all data plans have transfer caps, google is not even showing urls to mobile users anymore, yes things are going to hell.

I'm all for net neutrality, but 2 of the 3 things you listed were never going to be "protected" by net neutrality laws. Which highlights the problem with what Net Neutrality morphed into - it became something that meant everything and anything - not just "dumb pipes" like it originated as. Ask 3 different people what Net Neutrality means and you'll get 3 different answers. How do you legislate that and make everyone…

Exactly.

This highlights the foolishness of "net neutrality", which is really just code for "my team should regulate the internet".

Re: FCC forced by court to ask the public again for feedback on net neutrality

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Post by csours »

Alupis wrote: post #9
superkuh wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

T-mobile has been throttling and creating paid fast lanes pretty heavily and I now pay as much in data overage fees to comcast per month as half my total bill.

How much data are you using monthly? My comcast "cap" is 3TB monthly... which is a HUGE amount of data for a residential user. I've never even broken 1TB... If you're hosting something, might be worth upgrading to a business connection, which doesn't have data caps and comes with static ip's and a SLA. As an aside - I'm personally OK with data caps so long as they don't impact most users (80/20, 90/10 or something li…

I could be Ok with data caps per tier, if that actually led to lower costs for lower tiers. As it is, I pay a huge amount of money for low quality internet service.

Also, 3TB is not huge for a family, especially in the age of 4K streams.

Re: FCC forced by court to ask the public again for feedback on net neutrality

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Post by kick »

Alupis wrote: post #9
superkuh wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

T-mobile has been throttling and creating paid fast lanes pretty heavily and I now pay as much in data overage fees to comcast per month as half my total bill.

How much data are you using monthly? My comcast "cap" is 3TB monthly... which is a HUGE amount of data for a residential user. I've never even broken 1TB... If you're hosting something, might be worth upgrading to a business connection, which doesn't have data caps and comes with static ip's and a SLA. As an aside - I'm personally OK with data caps so long as they don't impact most users (80/20, 90/10 or something li…

How is 3TB "HUGE"? If you're using computers like a normal person, that'll be gone pretty quickly. I remember using 1-4TB a month in my youth on a connection that couldn't push 1MBps.

Given the recent emergence of high-definition video streamed to every home, it seems like three times that probably wouldn't be enough.

EDIT: Capitalization error, mbps > MBps.

Re: FCC forced by court to ask the public again for feedback on net neutrality

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Post by bcrosby95 »

Alupis wrote: post #9
superkuh wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

T-mobile has been throttling and creating paid fast lanes pretty heavily and I now pay as much in data overage fees to comcast per month as half my total bill.

How much data are you using monthly? My comcast "cap" is 3TB monthly... which is a HUGE amount of data for a residential user. I've never even broken 1TB... If you're hosting something, might be worth upgrading to a business connection, which doesn't have data caps and comes with static ip's and a SLA. As an aside - I'm personally OK with data caps so long as they don't impact most users (80/20, 90/10 or something li…

Our cap is 1TB. We tend to use anywhere from 600-700GB. But we don't use 4k streaming.

Re: FCC forced by court to ask the public again for feedback on net neutrality

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Post by Alupis »

kick wrote: post #13
Alupis wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much data are you using monthly? My comcast "cap" is 3TB monthly... which is a HUGE amount of data for a residential user. I've never even broken 1TB... If you're hosting something, might be worth upgrading to a business connection, which doesn't have data caps and comes with static ip's and a SLA. As an aside - I'm personally OK with data caps so long as they don't impact most users (80/20, 90/10 or something li…

How is 3TB "HUGE"? If you're using computers like a normal person, that'll be gone pretty quickly. I remember using 1-4TB a month in my youth on a connection that couldn't push 1MBps. Given the recent emergence of high-definition video streamed to every home, it seems like three times that probably wouldn't be enough. EDIT: Capitalization error, mbps > MBps.

> I remember using 1-4TB a month in my youth on a connection that couldn't push 1mbps

Ya, but you didn't do that. 1TB pushed at a constant 1Mbps, would take 88 days... 4TB taking nearly an entire year.

4TB at a constant 100Mbps takes 3.5 days. It is a HUGE amount of data.

> recent emergence of high-definition video streamed to every home

Netflix claims about 3GB per hour of HD content streamed[1]. So if you were to stream 24 hours a day for an entire 30 day month, you'd barely peak over 2TB. That's 24 hours a day for 30 days straight - something nobody is doing.

A data cap of 3TB is simply not a problem for almost everybody. If you're running torrents, or hosting files, then ya - you might have issues. But then why should I pay comcast more every month to subsidize your non-normal usage?

[1] https://help.netflix.com/en/node/87

Re: FCC forced by court to ask the public again for feedback on net neutrality

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Post by bathtub365 »

kick wrote: post #13
Alupis wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much data are you using monthly? My comcast "cap" is 3TB monthly... which is a HUGE amount of data for a residential user. I've never even broken 1TB... If you're hosting something, might be worth upgrading to a business connection, which doesn't have data caps and comes with static ip's and a SLA. As an aside - I'm personally OK with data caps so long as they don't impact most users (80/20, 90/10 or something li…

How is 3TB "HUGE"? If you're using computers like a normal person, that'll be gone pretty quickly. I remember using 1-4TB a month in my youth on a connection that couldn't push 1MBps. Given the recent emergence of high-definition video streamed to every home, it seems like three times that probably wouldn't be enough. EDIT: Capitalization error, mbps > MBps.

4TB/1mbps is 46 days. It’s impossible to use 4TB in a month with that connection.

Re: FCC forced by court to ask the public again for feedback on net neutrality

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Post by sseveran »

kick wrote: post #13
Alupis wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much data are you using monthly? My comcast "cap" is 3TB monthly... which is a HUGE amount of data for a residential user. I've never even broken 1TB... If you're hosting something, might be worth upgrading to a business connection, which doesn't have data caps and comes with static ip's and a SLA. As an aside - I'm personally OK with data caps so long as they don't impact most users (80/20, 90/10 or something li…

How is 3TB "HUGE"? If you're using computers like a normal person, that'll be gone pretty quickly. I remember using 1-4TB a month in my youth on a connection that couldn't push 1MBps. Given the recent emergence of high-definition video streamed to every home, it seems like three times that probably wouldn't be enough. EDIT: Capitalization error, mbps > MBps.

1mbps is 324 GB in a month.

Re: FCC forced by court to ask the public again for feedback on net neutrality

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Post by bathtub365 »

silverreads wrote: post #7
jasonlfunk wrote: post #5

It’s been over two years since Net Neutrality was repealed. I remember at the time there was a lot of talk about how the internet was going to be ruined by throttling, paid “fast lanes”, etc. Have any of these things happened? Or did that turn out to mostly be fear-mongering?

.org is getting sold, all data plans have transfer caps, google is not even showing urls to mobile users anymore, yes things are going to hell.

The .org sale was attempted but has been stalled: https://www.theregister.co.uk/AMP/2020/02/19/dot_org_sale_is...

Re: FCC forced by court to ask the public again for feedback on net neutrality

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Post by kick »

Alupis wrote: post #15
kick wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is 3TB "HUGE"? If you're using computers like a normal person, that'll be gone pretty quickly. I remember using 1-4TB a month in my youth on a connection that couldn't push 1MBps. Given the recent emergence of high-definition video streamed to every home, it seems like three times that probably wouldn't be enough. EDIT: Capitalization error, mbps > MBps.

> I remember using 1-4TB a month in my youth on a connection that couldn't push 1mbps Ya, but you didn't do that. 1TB pushed at a constant 1Mbps, would take 88 days... 4TB taking nearly an entire year. 4TB at a constant 100Mbps takes 3.5 days. It is a HUGE amount of data. > recent emergence of high-definition video streamed to every home Netflix claims about 3GB per hour of HD content streamed[1]. So if you were to s…

(1 tb) / (1 (mb / s)) = 11.5740741 days

Ah, I see. mbps v. MBps. Capitalization error!

Also, you're arguing against the past point which is fine because I messed up the capitalization (though the point still holds, because I wasn't doing anything abnormal; it was a two person household with a game console), but not against present use-cases:

4k 24fps video for Netflix is 7GB, and 1080p 24fps video is over 3GB/hr (HD is 720p). How many TVs are you aware of that are under 1080p? A house that has two people regularly watching Netflix in it on a modern data connection seems like it'd blow through that cap pretty quickly.

Why should Comcast be able to sell you a data connection you can't actually use? Caps are only a thing because Comcast oversells every connection.

Re: FCC forced by court to ask the public again for feedback on net neutrality

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Post by [deleted] »

kick wrote: post #19
Alupis wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I remember using 1-4TB a month in my youth on a connection that couldn't push 1mbps Ya, but you didn't do that. 1TB pushed at a constant 1Mbps, would take 88 days... 4TB taking nearly an entire year. 4TB at a constant 100Mbps takes 3.5 days. It is a HUGE amount of data. > recent emergence of high-definition video streamed to every home Netflix claims about 3GB per hour of HD content streamed[1]. So if you were to s…

(1 tb) / (1 (mb / s)) = 11.5740741 days Ah, I see. mbps v. MBps. Capitalization error! Also, you're arguing against the past point which is fine because I messed up the capitalization (though the point still holds, because I wasn't doing anything abnormal; it was a two person household with a game console), but not against present use-cases: 4k 24fps video for Netflix is 7GB, and 1080p 24fps video is over 3GB/hr (HD…

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