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Soy protein exerts minor effects on reproductive hormones in young men (2005)

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Re: Soy protein exerts minor effects on reproductive hormones in young men (2005)

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Please use the actual title, you hype-mongering bullshit-scare-mongering assholes. Also here's the abstract for anyone so stupid as to comment before reading:

Inverse associations between soy and prostate cancer and the contribution of hormones to prostate cancer prompted the current study to determine whether soy protein could alter serum hormones in men. Thirty-five men consumed milk protein isolate (MPI), low-isoflavone soy protein isolate (SPI) (low-iso SPI; 1.64 +/- 0.19 mg isoflavones/d), and high-iso SPI (61.7 +/- 7.35 mg isoflavones/d) for 57 d each in a randomized crossover design. Twenty-four-hour urine samples indicated that urinary isoflavones were significantly increased by the high-iso SPI relative to the low-iso SPI and MPI. Serum collected on d 1, 29, and 57 of each treatment revealed that dihydrotestosterone (DHT) and DHT/testosterone were significantly decreased by the low-iso SPI [9.4% (P = 0.036) and 9.0% (P = 0.004), respectively] and the high-iso SPI [15% (P = 0.047) and 14% (P = 0.013), respectively], compared with the MPI at d 57. Other significant effects included a decrease in testosterone by the low-iso SPI relative to the MPI (P = 0.023) and high-iso SPI (P = 0.020) at d 29; an increase in dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate by the low-iso SPI relative to the MPI at d 29 (P = 0.001) and relative to the MPI (P = 0.0003) and high-iso SPI (P = 0.005) at d 57; and increases in estradiol and estrone by the low-iso SPI relative to the MPI at d 57 (P = 0.010 and P = 0.005, respectively). In conclusion, soy protein, regardless of isoflavone content, decreased DHT and DHT/testosterone with minor effects on other hormones, providing evidence for some effects of soy protein on hormones. The relevance of the magnitude of these effects to future prostate cancer risk requires further investigation.

Re: Soy protein exerts minor effects on reproductive hormones in young men (2005)

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This was published in 2005, and the title of the submission should be dated appropriately.

The sidebar suggests this "similar article" from 2010: "Clinical studies show no effects of soy protein or isoflavones on reproductive hormones in men: results of a meta-analysis." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19524224

That meta-analysis says: "Given that isoflavone-depleted isolated soy protein is not commercially available and the composition of the product is altered by the ethanol-washed processing used to extract isoflavones, the isoflavone-depleted isolated soy protein treatment groups used in three studies 39, 40, 62 were excluded from all analyses except the subgroup analysis of the effects of soy protein dose." Citation 40 is this article.

Re: Soy protein exerts minor effects on reproductive hormones in young men (2005)

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Please use the actual title, you hype-mongering bullshit-scare-mongering assholes. Also here's the abstract for anyone so stupid as to comment before reading: Inverse associations between soy and prostate cancer and the contribution of hormones to prostate cancer prompted the current study to determine whether soy protein could alter serum hormones in men. Thirty-five men consumed milk protein isolate (MPI), low-isof…

This user, 'vertig0h, has submitted three articles to HN since joining five days ago. One is an article from conservative site National Review against racial quotas. Their first comment on this site was arguing that the US should have Huawei-style backdoors into network equipment manufactured in the US because the US is good.

They are a radical conservative pushing an agenda and should not be trusted.

Re: Soy protein exerts minor effects on reproductive hormones in young men (2005)

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study conducted in 2005; n=35; p-values vary based on measurements; study conclusion is "[...] soy protein, regardless of isoflavone content, decreased DHT and DHT/testosterone with minor effects on other hormones, providing evidence for some effects of soy protein on hormones."; further study on larger/more diverse populations required. Read study entirely and in context before judging effect size based on study alo…

I've noticed that's rather common with NIH studies. Small sample sizes and large conclusions.

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Re: Soy protein exerts minor effects on reproductive hormones in young men (2005)

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On one hand: YAY SCIENCE AND DATA! On the other hand: Ahhhh, figs. The sample size is incredibly small (n=35), but it appears to be a well-constructed & controlled study. This merits further investigation. And that's exactly what the abstract ends with. My husband and I switched to soy milk about 15 years ago. Anecdote, he had his testosterone tested recently and it was fairly high [he's completely bald], I have not…

Larger sample sizes increase the possibility of Type II errors. Too small versus too large is a common line researchers walk. n=35 is completely reasonable and common in this type of study.

Re: Soy protein exerts minor effects on reproductive hormones in young men (2005)

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post #14

Please use the actual title, you hype-mongering bullshit-scare-mongering assholes. Also here's the abstract for anyone so stupid as to comment before reading: Inverse associations between soy and prostate cancer and the contribution of hormones to prostate cancer prompted the current study to determine whether soy protein could alter serum hormones in men. Thirty-five men consumed milk protein isolate (MPI), low-isof…

This user, 'vertig0h, has submitted three articles to HN since joining five days ago. One is an article from conservative site National Review against racial quotas. Their first comment on this site was arguing that the US should have Huawei-style backdoors into network equipment manufactured in the US because the US is good. They are a radical conservative pushing an agenda and should not be trusted.

Just because you don't like the content I post doesn't invalidate it. If you have specific disagreements with the content you should post some comments and I'm sure we can have a respectful discussion.

I'm concerned about underappreciated effects of soy consumption, so I've posted a link to a legitimate study on the subject. I'm not sure why that's causing some people so much distress.

Re: Soy protein exerts minor effects on reproductive hormones in young men (2005)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This user, 'vertig0h, has submitted three articles to HN since joining five days ago. One is an article from conservative site National Review against racial quotas. Their first comment on this site was arguing that the US should have Huawei-style backdoors into network equipment manufactured in the US because the US is good. They are a radical conservative pushing an agenda and should not be trusted.

Just because you don't like the content I post doesn't invalidate it. If you have specific disagreements with the content you should post some comments and I'm sure we can have a respectful discussion. I'm concerned about underappreciated effects of soy consumption, so I've posted a link to a legitimate study on the subject. I'm not sure why that's causing some people so much distress.

> Just because you don't like the content I post doesn't invalidate it.

Correct, that's why I posted a link to a scientific study that actually does invalidate this one 2005 study that you clearly cherry-picked. Why don't you post that meta-analysis or one of the other studies it cited to demonstrate that you're actually interested in legitimate science and not demagoguery?

Re: Soy protein exerts minor effects on reproductive hormones in young men (2005)

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This user, 'vertig0h, has submitted three articles to HN since joining five days ago. One is an article from conservative site National Review against racial quotas. Their first comment on this site was arguing that the US should have Huawei-style backdoors into network equipment manufactured in the US because the US is good. They are a radical conservative pushing an agenda and should not be trusted.

Just because you don't like the content I post doesn't invalidate it. If you have specific disagreements with the content you should post some comments and I'm sure we can have a respectful discussion. I'm concerned about underappreciated effects of soy consumption, so I've posted a link to a legitimate study on the subject. I'm not sure why that's causing some people so much distress.

By the way, here's a scientific study (the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent to Adult Health) showing a correlation between IQ and political ideology: https://www.asanet.org/sites/default/files/savvy/images/Kana...

It's a legitimate study, so I hope you have no distress over it.

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