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UN rights office reports on business activity in occupied Palestinian territory

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Re: UN rights office reports on business activity in occupied Palestinian territory

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What exactly did those three companies do? I looked around the links on that page but I'm not getting a good feel for what happened.

This may help provide more context: BBC News - UN lists 112 businesses linked to Israeli settlements https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51477231

Re: UN rights office reports on business activity in occupied Palestinian territory

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What exactly did those three companies do? I looked around the links on that page but I'm not getting a good feel for what happened.

This may help provide more context: BBC News - UN lists 112 businesses linked to Israeli settlements https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51477231

So doing any businesses that do business in those areas would be "linked"?

Like any hotel booking site that can book a hotel room that is located in the settlement?

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The actual report can be found at [0] (direct docx download). All the companies listed in this title were providing "The provision of services and utilities supporting the maintenance and existence of settlements, including transport;" and the two other companies from the US mentioned in the report were General Mills which is extracting unspecified natural resources from the land in question and Motorola Solutions wh…

What does The provision of services and utilities supporting the maintenance and existence of settlements, including transport mean in that context. Airbnb allowing settlers to rent out rooms, or Airbnb allowing settlers to book trips via Airbnb?

It's a very broad category but 'services supporting the maintenance and existence of settlements' would definitely cover providing a way to make money off the homes/apartments in settlements like AirBnB and Booking does. It's providing a means of financial support to the people in the settlements.

I'm a bit confused about TripAdvisor but I bet there's just some portion of their business I'm not familiar with. It seems like reviews etc of businesses and lodgings inside settlements wouldn't be enough to reach that category.

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The actual report can be found at [0] (direct docx download). All the companies listed in this title were providing "The provision of services and utilities supporting the maintenance and existence of settlements, including transport;" and the two other companies from the US mentioned in the report were General Mills which is extracting unspecified natural resources from the land in question and Motorola Solutions wh…

I don't quite understand this. Is the problem that you can book a hotel (or bnb) within the occupied territories? Or is it you can book a hotel at something which is an "illegal" (as set by the UN but not by Israel I assume) settlement? Does the UN want the booking services to check the ownership of the hotel to see if it is Jewish or Palestinian? Or just not have any hotel bookings there at all?

"Human Rights Watch said the list "should put all companies on notice: to do business with illegal settlements is to aid in the commission of war crimes.""

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51477231

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The actual report can be found at [0] (direct docx download). All the companies listed in this title were providing "The provision of services and utilities supporting the maintenance and existence of settlements, including transport;" and the two other companies from the US mentioned in the report were General Mills which is extracting unspecified natural resources from the land in question and Motorola Solutions wh…

I don't quite understand this. Is the problem that you can book a hotel (or bnb) within the occupied territories? Or is it you can book a hotel at something which is an "illegal" (as set by the UN but not by Israel I assume) settlement? Does the UN want the booking services to check the ownership of the hotel to see if it is Jewish or Palestinian? Or just not have any hotel bookings there at all?

Well, it's all stolen property in the common law sense; the owners were driven off at gunpoint in recent decades. In these settlements there won't be any Palestinians.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't quite understand this. Is the problem that you can book a hotel (or bnb) within the occupied territories? Or is it you can book a hotel at something which is an "illegal" (as set by the UN but not by Israel I assume) settlement? Does the UN want the booking services to check the ownership of the hotel to see if it is Jewish or Palestinian? Or just not have any hotel bookings there at all?

Well, it's all stolen property in the common law sense; the owners were driven off at gunpoint in recent decades. In these settlements there won't be any Palestinians.

Do you have any citations for that? The answers to this Quota question: https://www.quora.com/Is-the-land-used-for-Israeli-settlemen... say all the land was bought from landlords (who of course may not have been the people living there) or was registered as public land under the Ottomans.

Which is still an unfortunate situation for the tenants, much like being evicted in San Francisco after your landlord sells your apartment to someone else, but still different from outright theft.

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The actual report can be found at [0] (direct docx download). All the companies listed in this title were providing "The provision of services and utilities supporting the maintenance and existence of settlements, including transport;" and the two other companies from the US mentioned in the report were General Mills which is extracting unspecified natural resources from the land in question and Motorola Solutions wh…

I don't quite understand this. Is the problem that you can book a hotel (or bnb) within the occupied territories? Or is it you can book a hotel at something which is an "illegal" (as set by the UN but not by Israel I assume) settlement? Does the UN want the booking services to check the ownership of the hotel to see if it is Jewish or Palestinian? Or just not have any hotel bookings there at all?

" is an "illegal" (as set by the UN but not by Israel I assume)"

They are considered illegal by US, Canada, UK, EU, and most other nations. China generally supports the notion that this is occupied territory and generally votes in this direction the UN.

So this is not one of those 'North Korea, Syria and Somalia have taken control of some UN working group' type of scenario, nor is there really any lack of international solidarity, at least academically on the issue.

Obviously it's complicated, but there's pretty much a consensus on the de-facto illegality of the settlements.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, it's all stolen property in the common law sense; the owners were driven off at gunpoint in recent decades. In these settlements there won't be any Palestinians.

Do you have any citations for that? The answers to this Quota question: https://www.quora.com/Is-the-land-used-for-Israeli-settlemen... say all the land was bought from landlords (who of course may not have been the people living there) or was registered as public land under the Ottomans. Which is still an unfortunate situation for the tenants, much like being evicted in San Francisco after your landlord sells your a…

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It's UN Human Rights Office, not UN itself. UNCHR is an odious organization that focuses on Israel to the exclusion of pretty much anything else. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Human_Rights_Co...

> focuses on Israel to the exclusion of pretty much anything else

Certainly, just Israel. And China. And Russia. And even asylum seekers sailing to Australia. But definitely a single issue antisemitic org.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any citations for that? The answers to this Quota question: https://www.quora.com/Is-the-land-used-for-Israeli-settlemen... say all the land was bought from landlords (who of course may not have been the people living there) or was registered as public land under the Ottomans. Which is still an unfortunate situation for the tenants, much like being evicted in San Francisco after your landlord sells your a…

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I was specifically asking about the common law theft part.

A Mexican who enters the US without a visa and buys a house there is living there illegally according to immigration law, but that doesn't mean their house is stolen property.

They're orthogonal legal questions.

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